A Very Darrelly Dynasty League

[Dr. Dinger]

Thanx guis

[Dr. Dinger]

That has to be a record for least time elapsed between an initial trade offer being made and it being accepted and processed.

 

[Dr. Dinger]

Also, commissioners, I think we might need to put a contingency plan in place in the event that Yahoo somehow consolidates Ohtani into one player, since Hurl traded the pitcher half to me. Hopefully this won't happen, but it's something we should think about.

 

Possibly scenarios:

 

1) #1 Waiver pick is returned from Hurl to Dinger and Hurl retains full Ohtani.

2) Hurl keeps #1 Waiver pick and additional assets are negotiated to send to Hurl for hitter Ohtani (doubt Hurl would agree to this)

3) Arbitration!

[Laika]

Also, commissioners, I think we might need to put a contingency plan in place in the event that Yahoo somehow consolidates Ohtani into one player, since Hurl traded the pitcher half to me. Hopefully this won't happen, but it's something we should think about.

 

Possibly scenarios:

 

1) #1 Waiver pick is returned from Hurl to Dinger and Hurl retains full Ohtani.

2) Hurl keeps #1 Waiver pick and additional assets are negotiated to send to Hurl for hitter Ohtani (doubt Hurl would agree to this)

3) Arbitration!

 

Mediation to be followed by binding arbitration if you two can't reach a resolution.

 

I would be the mediator and arbitrator

[z3r0s]

Yahoo is dumb. Otani worked great in my ESPN league as one player.

[TheHurl]

My early cuts are:

Billy Hamilton (new home in KC might steal 100),

Addison Russell (might impregnate 100)

Chance Sisco (at least he'll always have the Thong Song)

Jordan Lyles (this one hurts as he has Starter eligibility and great numbers as a reliever...add in that he's a Pirate and 28 it seems like I'm making a big mistake)

Ryne Stanek (live and die by the numbers alone...as an Opener he won't get wins, holds or saves)

Jacob Nix (Remember how your parent felt when they watched you suck at a sport? That's how I feel with JNix)

Josh Fields (He's in LA)

Brandon Finnegan (Hopefully on his way to becoming a LH Reliever)

 

Needs Assessment

C improvement on Sal Perez

1B (BIGGEST NEED)

OF improvement on Max Kepler

SP I wish I had a plan for SP's. But I don't so I probably am not actually in on the SP market, but if one falls on me I might try them out.

Farm - it's s*** I know it.

 

Available - Absolutely 100% on the block is New Nat Brian Dozier. I have Yuli and Adames with 2B eligibility. I'll throw Mikael Franco on there too. Thor is not on the block. Any of the relievers (Lugo, Miller, Davis, Bradley, Allen, Wilson) plus of course all of my potential drops from above.

[jaysblue]

Stanek to me. My 5th round draft pick to the Hurl.

[z3r0s]

so pick 97? You should be specific when there are actual pick #'s out there.

[jaysblue]

so pick 97? You should be specific when there are actual pick #'s out there.

 

Yes that is my 5th round pick.

[Boxcar]

I'm willing to move clozur Felipe Vazquez or some other sheet for a top 2 waiver pick.

[Boxcar]

Is Victor Victor eligible for the waiver draft?

[z3r0s]

Stanek to me. My 5th round draft pick to the Hurl.

 

processed

[Spanky99]

Is Victor Victor eligible for the waiver draft?

 

I don't think so, he's only 22, MILB draft would be my guess.

[Boxcar]

I don't think so, he's only 22, MILB draft would be my guess.

 

Considering he's likely going to be in the majors right away, seems like he should be an exception

[Spanky99]

Considering he's likely going to be in the majors right away, seems like he should be an exception

 

Talk to your Lordship, Laika!

[z3r0s]

Read rule 4.4

 

If he was subject to international bonus pool, he isn't eligible. Period

[Spanky99]

Yeah Boxy, read the facking rules!

 

During the Rule 5 Draft, most remaining players in the Yahoo database (with the exception of prospects already owned on MiLB rosters) will be available. The Rule 5 Draft typically consists of MLB international signings, MLB players cut from keeper rosters, and unowned prospects (prospects may only be taken if they have played at AA or higher, see MiLB Roster Management; international signings that were subject to international spending limitations may not be taken in the Rule 5 Draft and ones that were not subject to such restrictions are Rule 5 eligible).

[Boxcar]

Read rule 4.4

 

If he was subject to international bonus pool, he isn't eligible. Period

 

Yeah, I read it, thanks. I was appealing to the fact that it doesn't make sense in this case. Why does it matter if he's 23 vs. 22 but going to be playing in the majors right away in either case? Not questioning weird rules is for peons.

[Boxcar]

Yeah Boxy, read the facking rules!

 

Also, to your earlier point, no, he won't be in the MiLB draft because he'll have debuted before then and he won't be on waivers because I'd guess he'll be in the system to start the year, so...

[Spanky99]

Also, to your earlier point, no, he won't be in the MiLB draft because he'll have debuted before then and he won't be on waivers because I'd guess he'll be in the system to start the year, so...

 

Like I said, ask Laika.

[Laika]

I am glad this was raised and I think we likely need to update our rule.

 

Remember, the CBA changed the definition of "international amateur player" to mean all players under 25 with less than 6 years of professional experience.

It used to be all players under 23 with less than 5 years of professional experience.

 

It is now much more likely that an international player "subject to international spending restrictions" will be a straight-to-MLB player, the variety that we would prefer be included in the waiver draft.

 

Ohtani would have been the test case, but we gave him to Hurl for free because Jose Fernandez, so we missed that opportunity to examine our rule.

 

I will reserve judgment on Victor "Victor" Victor aka Victor for now. It's not obvious that he should be eligible for the waiver draft. He is 22 and would have been subject to international spending restrictions under the old CBA anyway. He might be in the minors for longer than you think.

[Dr. Dinger]

IMO he should be eligible for the waiver draft whether he is headed for the minors or not. It would be good to juice up the talent pool in these lackluster waiver drafts, and if someone wants to take a chance on a minors prospect on their MLB roster, they pay a tax already to do so. Why not just re-write the rule to say that any unowned prospect who is in the Yahoo database and is 22 years old as of February 1 is eligible?

[The Cats Ass]

IMO he should be eligible for the waiver draft whether he is headed for the minors or not. It would be good to juice up the talent pool in these lackluster waiver drafts, and if someone wants to take a chance on a minors prospect on their MLB roster, they pay a tax already to do so. Why not just re-write the rule to say that any unowned prospect who is in the Yahoo database and is 22 years old as of February 1 is eligible?

 

So would that include prospects that haven't played in AA yet?

[Dr. Dinger]

So would that include prospects that haven't played in AA yet?

 

I don't see why it shouldn't, TBH. If a dude is 22 and hasn't played in AA yet and wasn't drafted in the MiLB draft, and you want to use up an MLB roster spot on him, be my guest.

[BTS]

And, I'm spent

 

Franco was identified as a top tier player in his age group as early as 12 or 13, and was seen regularly by scouts by age 14. Sometimes, precocious prospects are workout warriors or have early physical peaks, but Franco isn’t either of those. He essentially hasn’t failed on a baseball field in any meaningful way since puberty, with his success punctuated by a 2018 pro debut in which he outpaced the game’s most recent phenom, No. 1 overall prospect Vladimir Guerrero, Jr., in just about every way, at the same level, at the same age. Franco signed for the largest bonus in the 2017 July 2nd class ($3.825 million) and was seen as the best player in the class by a good margin. There were some questions about his occasionally disinterested style of play as an amateur, but he likely already had a deal done and didn’t have anything to play for in later workouts. He’s literally always been the best player on any field he’s been on, usually by a lot. The raw tools are accordingly loud, and match his stats: at least a plus hit tool with explosive bat speed, elite bat and body control, and an advanced sense of the zone to go along with plus raw power, plus speed, a plus arm, and a real chance to stick at shortstop. Franco is about as close as you’ll see to a perfect prospect at this point, with questions only arising if you really nitpick — the main one being that Franco isn’t tall — but he already has huge power, so it matters less that he isn’t physically projectable. The Rays have indicated they will start Franco at Low-A in 2019 and, so long as he keeps performing, keep pushing him until he’s challenged so he can experience adversity before he reaches the big leagues. It wouldn’t surprise us to see Franco move across multiple levels, but we wouldn’t expect quite a Juan Soto-esque pace of promotion, and a 2019 MLB debut seems incredibly unlikely, given the Rays’ upper-level infield glut and the service time implications. Rays officials have likened their immediate impression of Franco, as a player and person, to Evan Longoria. Teammates respond to him, and there isn’t even a whiff of the makeup concern some scouts conjured up as an amateur. Franco seems to be the sole author of his potential at this point.

[Boxcar]

IMO he should be eligible for the waiver draft whether he is headed for the minors or not. It would be good to juice up the talent pool in these lackluster waiver drafts, and if someone wants to take a chance on a minors prospect on their MLB roster, they pay a tax already to do so. Why not just re-write the rule to say that any unowned prospect who is in the Yahoo database and is 22 years old as of February 1 is eligible?

 

If we're going that route, why not just combine the waiver draft and the milb draft?

 

Advantages:

- One draft instead of two with a lot more interesting talent

- rather than picking freshly drafted dudes, gives them some time to accumulate data so that owners can make a more informed decision

- presents an interesting dilemma between going after that prospect you really want or grabbing a nice relief arm that would help you right away

- eliminates largely arbitrary debates on who should be eligible for which draft

- likely speeds up the draft since there will likely be more owner interest and investment.

 

Disadvantages:

- if you really love drafting, I suppose losing a draft is a downer

- if you feel like you've got the inside edge on a new draftee, you have to wait for half a year where he might get noticed by more people.

 

I just feel like this will make things a bit more streamlined.

[TheHurl]

If we're going that route, why not just combine the waiver draft and the milb draft?

 

Advantages:

- One draft instead of two with a lot more interesting talent

- rather than picking freshly drafted dudes, gives them some time to accumulate data so that owners can make a more informed decision

- presents an interesting dilemma between going after that prospect you really want or grabbing a nice relief arm that would help you right away

- eliminates largely arbitrary debates on who should be eligible for which draft

- likely speeds up the draft since there will likely be more owner interest and investment.

 

Disadvantages:

- if you really love drafting, I suppose losing a draft is a downer

- if you feel like you've got the inside edge on a new draftee, you have to wait for half a year where he might get noticed by more people.

 

I just feel like this will make things a bit more streamlined.

 

I like the MiLB portion being in June in the DDL. We have a stat heavy group and this brings out our scouting side. You're an example of someone who has done a good job of finding a style you like and drafting them beyond the draft rankings of the sites. I am very against combining these. I'd like to add that I've made trades this year (really stupid ones I might add) in the waiver draft on the assumption that VVM is not eligible based on our rules. I think it would be wrong to include him now. I'm all for a rule change moving forward though.

[TheHurl]

I don't see why it shouldn't, TBH. If a dude is 22 and hasn't played in AA yet and wasn't drafted in the MiLB draft, and you want to use up an MLB roster spot on him, be my guest.

 

I'll try and find an example from the past where a player wouldn't have been drafted in our June draft but by the next March would be 22, not in AA yet and be a legit factor in our pool. I imagine it's very small "exception" and your rule change would be fine.

[Boxcar]

I like the MiLB portion being in June in the DDL. We have a stat heavy group and this brings out our scouting side. You're an example of someone who has done a good job of finding a style you like and drafting them beyond the draft rankings of the sites. I am very against combining these. I'd like to add that I've made trades this year (really stupid ones I might add) in the waiver draft on the assumption that VVM is not eligible based on our rules. I think it would be wrong to include him now. I'm all for a rule change moving forward though.

 

Fair enough. I just wanted to start a conversation in my usual confrontational, contrarian way.

[TheHurl]

2018 1st round draftees who turn 22 by February 1st.

 

Joey Bart

Alex Bohm

Jonathan India

Brady Singer

Seth Beer

Jackson Kowar

Daniel Lynch (who was undrafted in DDL's Rule 4 and will most certainly be picked in this June's)

Caydn Grenier (undrafted but an Oriole so he suxx)

Griffin Roberts (interesting guy who would get drafted in June with a good start)

 

Lynch is a legit prospect (probably top 100) who meets the criteria.