NHL Thread

[burlingtonbandit]

Robin Lehner

 

The one thing he needs to improve on is his rebound control. Other than that hes solid. Mike Hoffman was unreal.

[BTS]

The one thing he needs to improve on is his rebound control. Other than that hes solid. Mike Hoffman was unreal.

 

Agreed on both accounts.

 

Did you see the save he made on Wennberg?

[burlingtonbandit]

Agreed on both accounts.

 

Did you see the save he made on Wennberg?

 

That was ridiculous. I never want to see 6/93/90 protecting a lead. They are awful in the Dzone. Once they put out the top line CLB couldn't find any shooting lanes in the last 45 sec.

[Orgfiller]

Looool Leafs.

[BTS]

Looool Leafs.

 

2 wins in 6 games. Not bad.

[Laika]

This is amazing: http://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/comments/2izhk1/the_vlc_fix/

[Laika]

Also, there's already a cracked Gamecenter app out there for android. Every feed, free on your phone.

[burlingtonbandit]

This is amazing: http://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/comments/2izhk1/the_vlc_fix/

 

Holy f*** that sounds confusing. Did you do it and it work?

[Laika]

Yup and yup. It can be a bit intimidating at a glance but some of the posters have given detailed step by step instructions so if you're even semi computer literate you can be up and running in like ten or twenty minutes, save yourself $150 or a lot of headaches from fuzzy streams.

[Laika]

But, I have a mac and the process seems maybe a bit easier than on Windows.

[Sammy225]

I know that this is not NHL news but as a big CHL fan this really pisses me off. Give me your opinion.

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/10/20/class_action_lawsuit_filed_against_canadian_hockey_league_over_wages.html

[Laika]

I know that this is not NHL news but as a big CHL fan this really pisses me off. Give me your opinion.

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/10/20/class_action_lawsuit_filed_against_canadian_hockey_league_over_wages.html

 

Seems like a pretty strong claim against the league.

 

It's kind of like the NCAA argument in the States, but down there every player is getting a scholarship of some sort. In the CHL I bet the vast majority of players never even cash in their owed scholarship.

 

If you draft some dumb athlete with a 55 average in high school and then offer him a contract where he plays basically for free but you'll pay for his college down the line if he ever goes, then really, what realistic consideration does that player have when signing the contract? The infinitesimal chance to make it to pro hockey?

 

It's not a fair arrangement and it never has been. But, it's not in the best interest of the players to force the league to pay out a large chunk of money either, since this could cripple the leagues. Hopefully the class action claim ends up being a means to put pressure on the CHL into offering something resembling minimum wage contracts...

[Sammy225]

The thing the league not only has a scholarship program in place (1 year of schooling for each year in the league) which is a pretty good deal because a lot of these players are not going to be playing pro hockey. They also pay for all their meals, housing, travel home at the holidays, equipment, and much more. I know a family whose kid plays for Red Deer and they said they they saved about 10-15 thousand bucks having his kid make the WHL compared to AAA hockey.

 

I just think that just looking at the WHL for example if you have teams being forced to pay bigger salaries you are going to cripple a lot of small market teams (Lethbridge, Prince Albert, Prince George, Swift Current, Brandon,).

 

This is not good for the league as a whole.

[Laika]

The thing the league not only has a scholarship program in place (1 year of schooling for each year in the league) which is a pretty good deal because a lot of these players are not going to be playing pro hockey. They also pay for all their meals, housing, travel home at the holidays, equipment, and much more. I know a family whose kid plays for Red Deer and they said they they saved about 10-15 thousand bucks having his kid make the WHL compared to AAA hockey.

 

I just think that just looking at the WHL for example if you have teams being forced to pay bigger salaries you are going to cripple a lot of small market teams (Lethbridge, Prince Albert, Prince George, Swift Current, Brandon,).

 

This is not good for the league as a whole.

 

Teams would prefer to pay for housing + meals + equipment and all that, because when they sum it all up it comes out to far, far less than just paying the players an actual hourly wage. Most players stay with volunteer billets anyway - they get a stipend I believe, but nothing close to rent money.

 

The scholarship offer is decent I guess but tuition for most programs in Ontario is only something like $6500 per year, not even that lofty, and someone working full time for the duration of an entire hockey season could likely make about twice that, even at just minimum wage. Furthermore, the majority of players will never take the league up on this offer and the league knows it because, A) they are stupid athletes, and they are playing f***ing junior hockey without any compensation for the first two years of their post-secondary lives (three years if they play as an over-ager!), years when most people who will attend post-secondary school start.

 

Consider that a player needs to play from when they are 16 until they are 20 to earn a four year scholarship (four years in the league, assume they have an early birthday and turn 17 in year #1). This scholarship probably has a value of $28,000, but they have to sacrifice two years after high school to earn that full amount. Somebody else could enter the workforce completely unskilled after high school and make $42K before taxes in two years working for $11 an hour for 48 weeks a year.

 

At the end of the day, it is without question that the CHL has been "unjustly enriched" due to the social status of hockey in Canada which has allowed them to hold community glory and false promises over their players and get them to sign obviously disproportionate contracts. If a few teams are made not financially viable due to being forced to more fairly compensate their players, then the CHL will have to compensate for this by letting tiny market teams flop, raising ticket prices, and/or implementing some sort of revenue sharing program.

 

Teams like the London Knight f***ing rake in money, while paying their principle earners probably about half as much as a 15 year old Boston Pizza waitress makes per hour.

 

Another option for the CHL, if they lose a case like this and are made financially unviable, is to ask the NHL for assistance of some sort. They are basically an independent developmental system for the NHL, after all... just affiliate!

Edited October 20, 2014 by Laika

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah I think the NHL giving assistance is a good proposition. I have a hard time believing a lot of CHL teams make any money even though they don't pay their players anything. This is different than the NCAA though because those schools are making hundreds of millions of dollars on those students. I wonder what the CHL TV deal is? I would think the next one is going to be significantly larger since TSN will put in a large bid since they lost the national rights.

 

Edit: Nvm just looked it up and SN signed a new 10 year deal starting this season.

[Sammy225]

Teams would prefer to pay for housing + meals + equipment and all that, because when they sum it all up it comes out to far, far less than just paying the players an actual hourly wage. Most players stay with volunteer billets anyway - they get a stipend I believe, but nothing close to rent money.

 

The scholarship offer is decent I guess but tuition for most programs in Ontario is only something like $6500 per year, not even that lofty, and someone working full time for the duration of an entire hockey season could likely make about twice that, even at just minimum wage. Furthermore, the majority of players will never take the league up on this offer and the league knows it because, A) they are stupid athletes, and they are playing f***ing junior hockey without any compensation for the first two years of their post-secondary lives (three years if they play as an over-ager!), years when most people who will attend post-secondary school start.

 

Consider that a player needs to play from when they are 16 until they are 20 to earn a four year scholarship (four years in the league, assume they have an early birthday and turn 17 in year #1). This scholarship probably has a value of $28,000, but they have to sacrifice two years after high school to earn that full amount. Somebody else could enter the workforce completely unskilled after high school and make $42K before taxes in two years working for $11 an hour for 48 weeks a year.

 

At the end of the day, it is without question that the CHL has been "unjustly enriched" due to the social status of hockey in Canada which has allowed them to hold community glory and false promises over their players and get them to sign obviously disproportionate contracts. If a few teams are made not financially viable due to being forced to more fairly compensate their players, then the CHL will have to compensate for this by letting tiny market teams flop, raising ticket prices, and/or implementing some sort of revenue sharing program.

 

Teams like the London Knight f***ing rake in money, while paying their principle earners probably about half as much as a 15 year old Boston Pizza waitress makes per hour.

 

Another option for the CHL, if they lose a case like this and are made financially unviable, is to ask the NHL for assistance of some sort. They are basically an independent developmental system for the NHL, after all... just affiliate!

 

I bet there is only a handful of teams in the CHL that Rake in money. So what if the WHL says fine we will pay you salary that is equivalent to what other 16-18 year olds are making but we won't pay room and board, Travel expenses, equipment expenses, educational assistance help that each team has, and so on and oh we will scrap the scholarship program.

 

I think players have it damn easy in this league and some people are just looking at the Knights and saying ohhh we can clean up here.

[Laika]

I bet there is only a handful of teams in the CHL that Rake in money. So what if the WHL says fine we will pay you salary that is equivalent to what other 16-18 year olds are making but we won't pay room and board, Travel expenses, equipment expenses, educational assistance help that each team has, and so on and oh we will scrap the scholarship program.

 

I think players have it damn easy in this league and some people are just looking at the Knights and saying ohhh we can clean up here.

 

I think there are probably a lot of CHL players that "fall through the cracks", that people don't really notice. Guys that play for a few years but don't go anywhere in hockey, and exit the league at 20 or 21 years old with crummy high school grades, a couple of concussions, and very few employable skills because they spent so much time focusing on hockey.

 

Even if paying them minimum wage isn't a viable answer, I do think there are some pretty big issues with junior hockey in Canada and a class action movement like this I think at least has the potential to shed some light on a few of then, if not fix them.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think there are probably a lot of CHL players that "fall through the cracks", that people don't really notice. Guys that play for a few years but don't go anywhere in hockey, and exit the league at 20 or 21 years old with crummy high school grades, a couple of concussions, and very few employable skills because they spent so much time focusing on hockey.

 

Even if paying them minimum wage isn't a viable answer, I do think there are some pretty big issues with junior hockey in Canada and a class action movement like this I think at least has the potential to shed some light on a few of then, if not fix them.

 

I agree 100%. I've met some CHL players when I was in college and they are dumb as sticks and have really only known hockey their entire lives. Not to mention how much money their families have spent on them playing hockey at a high level from when they were 12. There needs to be some sort of trust fund that is a lot better than the one they have now.

[Abomination]

This was on Sportsnet:

http://youtu.be/uW4zmtvYtxY

[jays_fever]

I agree 100%. I've met some CHL players when I was in college and they are dumb as sticks and have really only known hockey their entire lives. Not to mention how much money their families have spent on them playing hockey at a high level from when they were 12. There needs to be some sort of trust fund that is a lot better than the one they have now.

 

I went to high school for half a semester with players on the Kingston Frontenacs. I was surprised they could even find their classrooms sometimes

[Sammy225]

This was on Sportsnet:

http://youtu.be/uW4zmtvYtxY

 

Boarding, Charging, Interference....... Thats some f***ed up s***.

[Abomination]

Leafs dominating thus far...love it!!

 

Ouch... I have Halak too

[Laika]

Ouch... I have Halak too

 

Don't worry. "My" projections have the Isles finishing as a top 2 team in the Metropolitan. Top 4 in the East.

[Abomination]

Don't worry. "My" projections have the Isles finishing as a top 2 team in the Metropolitan. Top 4 in the East.

 

That would be nice...I think. Since I don't think I'll be competing this year, hopefully it doesn't crush a high pick for me though.

[Laika]

Well you can flip Jaro for profit when he has 25 W's at the trade deadline!

[Abomination]

Well you can flip Jaro for profit when he has 25 W's at the trade deadline!

 

Yeah, that's true. I'm hoping Markov continues his early success too for that reason (especially with the hits, which has always been his weakness).

[BTS]

I think that Alex Galchenyuk might be breaking out.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think that Alex Galchenyuk might be breaking out.

 

Wouldn't surprise me, he has a ton of talent.

 

Edit: Holy f*** Dallas scored 6 goals in the first half of the game vs Vancouver. That top line has to be the best in the NHL.

[burlingtonbandit]

Sens vs Leafs game rescheduled to Sunday Nov 9. Both teams play Saturday so b2b for each team.

[GD]

Would the Devils trade Adam Larsson, do you guys think? Haven't heard much about him lately.