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Yordano Ventura, Carlos "Tsunami" Martinez and Oscar Taveras are friends and they will play on the same team at Dominican winter ball this year along with Edwin Encarnacion (question mark) and Manny Ramirez (Aguilas Cibaenas)

 

Carlos is the Tsunami? Then Ventura is the Tornado.

 

A very nu tornado = Yordano Ventura.

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Carlos is the Tsunami? Then Ventura is the Tornado.

 

A very nu tornado = Yordano Ventura.

 

Yordano

"Many American journalist say stupid things all the time. I'll demonstrate that despite of my physical texture I'll be a good starting pitcher" lol

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David Carpener? our Carpenter?

60IP, 10.1K/9, 3 BB/9

 

Are you kidding me?? How did I miss this??

 

Carpenter (1.7 WAR) + Gomes (3.5 WAR) and John Farrell for Esmil Rogers (1) WAR

 

So according to the WAR we deduct -4 WARs from the Toronto Blue Jays and give the Boston Red Sox the A.L. manager of the year.

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Are you kidding me?? How did I miss this??

 

Carpenter (1.7 WAR) + Gomes (3.5 WAR) and John Farrell for Esmil Rogers (1) WAR

 

So according to the WAR we deduct -4 WARs from the Toronto Blue Jays and give the Boston Red Sox the A.L. manager of the year.

 

You kiddin? It's way worse.

 

Farrell is obviously like a 30 WAR manager

 

Red Sox gonna win 30 more games than they did with Valentine

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You kiddin? It's way worse.

 

Farrell is obviously like a 30 WAR manager

 

Red Sox gonna win 30 more games than they did with Valentine

 

 

AL manager of the decade?

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You kiddin? It's way worse.

 

Farrell is obviously like a 30 WAR manager

 

Red Sox gonna win 30 more games than they did with Valentine

 

I was thinking of giving Farrell a conservative 2 WAR... but decided against it cause you guys would yap...

 

Anyway my point about Farrell isn't that he added a million wins to the red sox... it is more that his success is an indicator of the incredible disfunction in blue-jay land.

 

Say a mid-manager works at Research in Motion. Call him Bud. By all accounts Bud's smart guy. Suppose to be an up and comer but argues a bit with RIM upper management. Then all of a sudden they allow him to go to Motorola and work on Android phones. RIM says "no big deal, this guy wasn't a team player, we're the s*** and we got the new BlackBerry 17 or whatever s*** coming", Then next thing you know RIM is laying off everybody and Android phones are all the rage. Then Bud says that RIM didn't understand how to develop the business of smart phones in the first place.

 

Does it mean that Bud was responible for the Android phone's sucess?? Of course not. It means Bud was an intelligent, good guy who reconized disfunction and wanted to be with like minded winners. He wanted to move on so he could work with competent collegues. Motorola wanted him because he was competent. They are both great.

 

But RIM is just sewage.

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Maybe Valentine was a -30 WAR manager and Farrell is replacement-level.

 

In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed is king.

 

Farrell is the God of the managers in front of Valentine.

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I was thinking of giving Farrell a conservative 2 WAR... but decided against it cause you guys would yap...

 

Anyway my point about Farrell isn't that he added a million wins to the red sox... it is more that his success is an indicator of the incredible disfunction in blue-jay land.

 

Say a mid-manager works at Research in Motion. Call him Bud. By all accounts Bud's smart guy. Suppose to be an up and comer but argues a bit with RIM upper management. Then all of a sudden they allow him to go to Motorola and work on Android phones. RIM says "no big deal, this guy wasn't a team player, we're the s*** and we got the new BlackBerry 17 or whatever s*** coming", Then next thing you know RIM is laying off everybody and Android phones are all the rage. Then Bud says that RIM didn't understand how to develop the business of smart phones in the first place.

 

Does it mean that Bud was responible for the Android phone's sucess?? Of course not. It means Bud was an intelligent, good guy who reconized disfunction and wanted to be with like minded winners. He wanted to move on so he could work with competent collegues. Motorola wanted him because he was competent. They are both great.

 

But RIM is just sewage.

 

Remember when Farrell wanted our players to work the count a lot more and get on base and Dwayne Murphy would have nothing of that? The Red Sox have really been taking pitches and getting on base this year. Red Sox #1 in OBP, last year they were 22nd.

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Olerud363

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Maybe Valentine was -40 WAR and Farrell is -10.

 

OK yes. You guys win. Farrell sucks. Red Sox suck. Bill James sucks.

 

Long live Beeston. Long live J.P. Arencibia. Jays will win it all next year....

 

What I was taught was to give deep, sincere respect to those who are successful. Praise them, even if they are your enemy. When you are down keep your mouth shut and compliment your rival. When you are down observe those who are up. Make notes. Respect them. Honor them.

 

But you guys seem to think Farrell and the Red Sox are toilet cleaners... only by respecting and learning from Farrell and the Red Sox will the Blue Jays ever get anywhere,.

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Remember when Farrell wanted our players to work the count a lot more and get on base and Dwayne Murphy would have nothing of that? The Red Sox have really been taking pitches and getting on base this year. Red Sox #1 in OBP, last year they were 22nd.

 

Yeah... and remember when Adam Lind blew the lid of all that in Spring Training. Basically "Yeah Farrell wanted us to take pitches but Murph said swing at it all boys... on base percentage is for losers."

 

Then remember how mad AA got?? That said it all right there. Farrell left because he was given an idiot hitting coach, and no one would listen to him about hitting approach (just an old Pitcher, doesn't know what hes talking about).

 

AA knows there was much more to Farrell leaving then "Dream Job". AA wanted Lind to shut up before people started thinking about it to much.

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Bill James doesn't suck. Neither do the Red Sox, but their manager has nothing to do with it.

 

I'll keep posting this until people get it through their thick skulls I am in NO way claiming Farrell is worth x amount of wins. I am claiming Farrell is a compotent, good person, who would of been an assett to the blue jays, but did not fit in, because his core beliefs were opposed to Beestons and unlike AA he wouldn't change or fake stupidity for the boss.

 

Previous post explaining my view on Farrell....

 

"Anyway my point about Farrell isn't that he added a million wins to the red sox... it is more that his success is an indicator of the incredible disfunction in blue-jay land.

 

Say a mid-manager works at Research in Motion. Call him Bud. By all accounts Bud's smart guy. Suppose to be an up and comer but argues a bit with RIM upper management. Then all of a sudden they allow him to go to Motorola and work on Android phones. RIM says "no big deal, this guy wasn't a team player, we're the s*** and we got the new BlackBerry 17 or whatever s*** coming", Then next thing you know RIM is laying off everybody and Android phones are all the rage. Then Bud says that RIM didn't understand how to develop the business of smart phones in the first place.

 

Does it mean that Bud was responible for the Android phone's sucess?? Of course not. It means Bud was an intelligent, good guy who reconized disfunction and wanted to be with like minded winners. He wanted to move on so he could work with competent collegues. Motorola wanted him because he was competent. They are both great.

 

But RIM is just sewage."

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G-Snarls

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Bill James doesn't suck. Neither do the Red Sox, but their manager has nothing to do with it.

 

Exactly

 

I'm just joking around too because there's nothing fun to talk about re this team

 

Best recent example was discussed at length on FAN590 recently. Bruce Boachy was manager of the year and wins the World Series. This year the Giants might finish dead last in the NL West. Is he suddenly terrible? Of course not. 95% of a team's record is because of the team the GM put together and the play/luck/health of the players. Managers can blow a game here and there or steal a win here and there but unless it's someone poisonous who makes the players hate playing (eg. Valentine circa 2012) it doesn't matter that much.

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Long live Beeston. Long live J.P. Arencibia. Jays will win it all next year....

 

or the next year, or the next year, so sayeth Paul Beeston.

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We should recommend to Fangraphs and BBRef that they call this stat "man-O-WAR" (managerial obligatory wins against replacement).

 

Metal fans, and the Portugese, would love it.

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Holy s*** what a catch

 

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Apparently Wade Davis = J.A. Happ = Ryan Dempster > Josh Johnson = A.J. Jimenez

 

This looks like an Angrioter post.

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Holy s*** this is awesome. I really want to see JPA's results for this.

 

What if it showed JPA as above average?:D

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What if it showed JPA as above average?:D

 

Somehow I don't think we have to worry about that.

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If this is just a community post, we may not be able to, unless we pulled the data ourselves for each and every pitch and howaboutno.jpg
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http://www.fangraphs.com/community/probabilistic-pitch-framing-part-1/

 

Can't wait for part 2 and 3 of this. Might end up being the best way of quantifying framing information and we can more accurately accommodate for pitch framing in a catcher's value. Sounds like it will end up being similar to DRS.

 

Pretty sure I've seen something similar to this already done

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