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Sorry if this becomes a double post. I thought I submitted a reply but it vanished into the ether. Short for of that… Helps to deal with teams facing external pressures. If I’m the Pirates, then I’d be searching for line up help a level up from the buffalo boys., especially for Keller. It sure the Jays can provide that. Too bad Martinez wasn’t on a heater in AAA. We did trade Martin and Woods-Richardson for Berrios. I like Nimmala and yes save better, but that could be recency bias

You are probably right. It would be reasonable for the Pirates to ask for Nimmala and they have the advantage of holding on to them both (I’m sure why they wouldn’t, actually). It probably will come down to how many buyers they are, how many other options the Jays have, and how funky the Pirates decision making process is (they can deal both these guys for good returns, but do they really need Yesevage or Nimmala; they already have starting pitching depth and I would think they would want players closer to the majors than Nimmala to help Skenes.)

I like Keller. Not many true aces out there. And Keller can replace Bassitt’s mid rotation spot next season and for a lower dollar figure. But I’m not a big fan of including either Yesevage or Nimmala. He’s not David Cone. 😊

Any way to do that deal without Yesevage or Nimmala? Those are the only two prospects I don’t want dealt. I think you can get either one individually without Yesevage or Nimmala. On a Pirates related note, are they obligated to sign every lefty that the Jays let go? I see they’ve trotted out Mayza, Borucki, and Cabrera so far this year.

Maybe some jitters or too jacked up.

I did catch the recap this afternoon. And yes, his fastball did not look good.

Haha I wasn’t able to catch the game last night, but by scanning this thread, I take Pina mania will not become a thing. Was his stuff DFA bad? Or was that just game thread hyperbole in your opinion? He does have all his options Not saying you were suggesting DFAing him. Tossing the question your way, because I found your postgame bullpen take to be the most balanced.

Definitely, Now titan Loperfido is back, I am reminded that he also provides positional flexibility. It’s kind of strange, but we haven’t carried a back up middle infielder all year, except during times of injury to Giminez or Bichette. Our back up middle infielder is also our starting 3B. We also have a number of players that can be pinch hit for, run for, or subbed out defensively late in games. Schneider (the manager, not the moustache) will be busy this year. So positional flexibility is helpful right now.

And one finally thing, because responding to your post sparked this thought, and it might be sneaky consideration moving forward. A lot of the our bench guys and minor league guys, both in the OF and IF, appear to be brining contributing in complimentary ways. Barger is more useful because he can play third, which enables the Jays to move Clement to 2B or SS on some nights, or to bump him from the line up against some righties.. Clement plays a top notch 3B, which means the Jays can move Barger out to RF and give George “Roy Hobbs” Springer some time off his feet in the DH spot. Straw bats right and Lukes left for a CF platoon, but Straw also brings defence and base running of the bench, Lukes brings an okay bat against righties off the bench, and both provide OF positional flexibility. Lukes can also platoon with Schneider in left, while Schneider has the ability to shift to second when things start moving around late in the game. And Lukes and Clement are demonstrating they can combine to fill the lead off roll. So I wonder if bumping any one of them from the roster for a bigger bat has the risk of decreasing the utility of the group.

True,. And if Santador was healthy and performing., then there might not be any chatter about picking up a bat. Of course, if he was healthy and performing, then he would have soaked up a lot of at bats, and we might not of seen Barger break our, or Schneider bounce back, or Lukes contribute in quiet but real ways And I do like all the guys you lost e. but I’m not sure Clase or Roden are MLB ready, especially playoff run/post season ready. I think Roden will get there, not sure Clase will. But the real issue with Clase is that he will be out of options next year, so I think he is getting extended time on the big club this year to see if he has chance to,stick long term. Schneider and Loperfido are major league ready,-ish, but also tend to be erratic performance wise. Schneider has shown more than Loperfido performance wise., but Loperfido shows flashes and has sneaky positional flexibility. I like giving them some runway, but I’m also good if one or both get bumped for a more mature bat. Straw is what he is, but he has also been surprisingly helpful this year. Great fill in for Varsho and likely stays on the roster through the year because he provides CF defence and base running. It’s definitely a good problem to have, especially with Varsho and Santadoe out for so long.

I think the metrics support Lukes being a sustainable 4th/5th outfielder. He doesn’t provide anything that pops out at you (maybe some on base and bat to ball skills against righties). But there is also not much there that tanks his value. I think his base running and defence (especially in LF) metrics related to overall WAR are slightly depressed due to small sample size variance. But he will never be on the roster for his base running or defence alone. He’s not a one big skill bench guy. He’ll be on there because he is decent at most things and has a bit of positional flexibility in the outfield. From my glance at his profile, that seem sustainable for the near term.

Yeah… for some reason I thought he’d be better in the field on the bases than he is.

I like that idea.

Yeah, they all seemed to have good vibes around each other during Bassitt’s stint with the Mets. And I enjoy Bassitt. I don’t always love watching him get bogged down with his own pitch calling. But I enjoy his quirkiness. He’s seems like the type of teammate you love, but also one you need a short break from every once in a while. I’m now fully behind Rogers paying DeGroom $40 mil (plus the corresponding tax) for the next couple of years.

He’s buddies with Scherzer, isn’t he? Maybe that will help sway him. On a related note, I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how engaging Scherzer appears to be. I thought he was surly.. But with his teammates and the media he seems quite upbeat and positive (realistic about his health, but upbeat about the team). I didn’t know this side of him.