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Kim hit 9 home runs on the road vs 8 at home in 2023 so Petco wasn't really a factor. Petco was actually the second most favorable park for him by expected home runs as well so he really wasn't hurt by playing there.

I'm not remotely buying that Vlad was 50 pounds lighter in 2019 let alone 100 pounds lighter when he debuted. Vlad posted the highest ever average sprint speed of his career last season so I think he was in peak physical condition (as far as he is concerned at this point of his career). I think it's eminently possible he could post Rafael Devers seasons level of bad defense at third base, but I don't know if the team will ever be willing to give him enough innings to find out one way or the other.

I don't see any conceivable way Vlad would be 2007 Ryan Braun level of bad at third base, at least in the short term. Even as a raw rookie in 2019 he still managed a -3 DRS mark. In his small sample of innings last season he was an even 0 by DRS and a plus 1 defender by OAA. I think the club made a mistake in not deploying him with more frequency at third base last season in a lost season as that was a perfect opportunity to get a better read on the level of defense he could provide in a larger sample.

Who cares about the team's win loss record when evaluating a single player's performance? Vlad was fantastic last season and was the primary reason that the club was actually just a tad below average offensively last season despite most of the key bats floundering. The team would have been far worse without him as he provided a 5.5 win season.

Seems that way which I think limits the appeal quite a bit.

Cito came out ahead years ago after being relentlessly slagged by Wilner years ago, but Wilner was basically a Blue Jays employee at the time so it's not a true apples to apples comparison.

I'd be thrilled with Polar Pete on a deal with an opt out after 3 years similar to Santander.

I don't think Ernie Clement is capable of multiple 3.5+ win seasons personally.

That would be infinitely preferable to another mid 70's win season.

Teoscar didn't play all of 2024 in left field, he provided 436 innings in right field as well. Go look at Santanders numbers in left field and compare to Teoscar. Santander has produced a combined -8 DRS/-6 OAA in the last three seasons combined in only 336 innings. Over an entire season of play that would amount to something like -20 DRS/-18 OAA. His 2023 numbers where he played quite a bit of left field are actually far worse on a rate basis than what Teoscar provided last season in left field. Teoscar 2024 LF -8 DRS/-9 OAA 871 IP (-9 DRS/1000 IP, - 10 OAA/1000 IP) Santander 2023 LF -8 DRS/-5 OAA 299 IP (-26 DRS/1000 IP, -16 OAA/1000 IP) Santander doesn't exactly come out smelling like roses in this comparison. This gets back to my main point that these guys are basically equivalent defenders in the outfield. They are both below average defenders as a whole. Each of them has typically been a tad below average most years in right field, and each has been absolutely awful in left field. I don't think either of them are likely comfortable in left field and as such their respective team's would largely be shooting themselves in the foot by deploying them in this fashion.

Yeah that would actually feel entirely reasonable given where contracts for elite hitters have gone in recent seasons.

I think Santander and Teoscar are approximately equal quality defenders. Teoscar makes boneheaded mistakes but he's not nearly as bad as he's made out to be. Go back over the last 4 seasons in right field and Teoscar is +1 DRS/-8 OAA, vs Santander who is -7 OAA/-4 DRS.

Vlad had a bad first 4 weeks to start the season. His first half still saw him produce a 135 wRC+, and from April 28-end of season he was MLB's second best hitter behind Aaron Judge with an MVP level 181 wRC+.

That depends on what version of Bo shows up.

I think the faster than expected decline from George Springer dramatically changed the overall outlook of the club. I think if you had any inkling that Springer would become a league average bat basically overnight things would have unfolded a lot differently.

It was reported that the opt out is after the third season which would be a fantastic outcome for the club.

The offseason is starting to actually look semi decent with this signing. I think the club added a win or two with the Gimenez acquisition depending on the bat, potentially added another win or so with each of Yimi and Hoffman depending on their ability to avoid major injury, and likely added 2.5 wins with the Santander addition. If they can manage to squeeze in rotation help and another bat I think that's a fantastic offseason, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is basically the last major addition.

Are you this bad at the internet that you've completely failed to properly use the ignore list? As a newcomer you have exactly zero sway here, and as such have no standing to tell long time posters that they aren't allowed to post their opinions here. Believe it or not this board isn't a giant echo chamber like the circles you appear to typically hang in. There are bound to be differing opinions presented. You seem to be generally lacking in social intelligence as you have repeatedly shown yourself to be incapable of discussing your opinions like a normal adult without constantly lashing out, calling names, starting drama etc. There's no need to be such a drama queen, the current front office hasn't "destroyed the franchise", that's just hyperbolic nonsense. With a few smart additions they can compete for a wildcard spot, and if it doesn't work out the team can be largely blown up and a rebuild can begin. This isn't the end of the franchise despite your proclamations of doom. They aren't the "worst management group in Toronto history, that's an outright ridiculous statement for a city with such a long and storied sporting past that extends nearly 50 years for the Blue Jays, and over a century for the Maple Leafs and so on. Try taking a deep breath and posting like a rational human being instead of these childish temper tantrums and you'll have a much easier time here.

It would kind of painful to see these guys opt after a single season of play as if I'm not mistaken the team would be surrendering their second and third highest draft picks. They stand to pick fairly high in the upcoming draft and I don't think it nearly be worthwhile surrendering this type of draft capital for single seasons of defensively limited slugger types.

There is a bit of a factual error in the article. It states that the American League's team average runs per game was 6.66, but this simply can't be true. The overall average runs scored per game in MLB was only 4.39 runs per game. I crunched the raw numbers for the American League and came to an average of 4.27 runs per game as the league was lower scoring as a whole compared to the National League. This shows the Jays offense to be a tad below average last season as their 4.14 runs/game was only 0.13 below the league average, vs being well over 2 runs below average.

Fielder had a far worse body than Vlad, and his career was ruined by neck issues. I did some quick research and it appears as though the herniated disc first occurred back in 2013 when Fielder was 29 years old. There has been discussion over whether the extra weight has the reason that Fielder suffered from the initial herniated disc but that's something that we'll never really know for certain.

I simply don't believe Vlad is going to be the type of player who is going to put the extreme amount of effort required for him to be an effective hitter let alone above average overall player into his late 30's. He's shown the propensity for slacking off in his early years, and I think it's a very real concern that he loses interest in proper conditioning once he's past his physical prime and all of the associated aches and pains with becoming middle aged start to rear their ugly head. For every Nelson Cruz and Big Papi I could likely list 40-50 or however many guys experienced dramatic dropoffs to their offensive profile in the early to mid 30's.

Stop acting like you have some sort of baseball specific bad body player crystal ball. Both of Pujols and Cabrera were below average MLB players by the time they were 34. It takes a pretty giant leap of faith to assume that Vlad will be a useful player by the time he's damn near 40. Ortiz and Cruz are the few outliers who were largely able to defy father time better than most others, and were the exception rather than the rule. And the lame Atkins burner account nonsense is just so tired and played out. I could throw a similarly dim witted comment back in your direction in saying that you are the president of the Vlad fan club as you are willfully ignoring the guy's inconsistent offensive profile and the multitude of concerns that come with signing this guy to a long term extension. I'd still love to see him locked up but at the same time I can recognize that this isn't exactly a sure thing to provide value throughout the entire deal as Vlad is more than likely to be a DH only player within the next 5 or so years, and thus the last 7 or 8 years will be paying the man $35 million a season as a pure DH only.

That's awfully optimistic to expect Vlad to be above average offensively until his late 30's. Pujols was pretty much done as an effective hitter as his last above average season offensively was his age 36 season. Miguel Cabrera had a single good offensive season after his age 33 season as well. Vlad is very likely to be a below average player by his early to mid 30's, which leaves the back half of a 13 year extension as most likely being under water. There is a ton of risk in signing this guy to this length of deal simply based on long term extensions for first basemen. Add in the bad body concerns and there is massive landmine potential sooner rather than later.