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Coke helping any bullpen, majors or minors, is a stretch at this point.

Navarro and asset don't belong in the same sentence. The fact that he's hitting 4th is infuriating.

Every other manager in baseball would have done the same thing. /Logic

Reyes Bautista Edwin Navarro Colabello Carrera Valencia Pillar Kawasaki Unless Donaldson and Martin are hurt, this is about as inexcusable a lineup against a division rival as I've seen.

If anyone wants to vomit for hours, take a gander at tonight's lineup. Gibbons knows this is a vital series. He ain't holding back.

I remember reading that AA didn't want Farrell to play Hech in 2012 because AA wanted to preserve his trade value. I could see Gyro Boy keeping Boyd down for that reason.

Please don't tell me Redmond is going to start. With Doubront, Boyd, and Norris in AAA, I refuse to believe Redmond is going to start for this team again.

Lol, why are you so fixated on the word scapegoat? If Gibbons was good and the team was mediocre, this thread would t exist (or maybe it would but I wouldn't be participating in it). Why is wanting someone who doesn't think Dioner Navarro and Ryan Goins are good players, or doesn't use Miguel Castro every game for a month, and so on, suddenly just a cry for a scapegoat rather than just wanting a guy that knows what he is doing? If you think every manager is the same, why not rehire Farrell? He couldn't be worse, right? I guess when I called him a bad manager I had it all wrong. He was simply doing what everyone else would have done in the same scenario. Sorry Farrell for doubting your brilliance. When did I say the Rays were not a good team? I said I knew they'd be good/overachieve with Cash as manager when practically everyone else thought they were dead without Maddon. A good manager still needs talent, and he has it, but he will get the most out of that talent, unlike Gibbons with this team (Fangraphs loved us too prior to the season, by the way, probably more than they did the Rays). Cash also overworks his pen because half his starters are injured. He still generally knows the difference between his best relievers and his worst ones, which already puts him a step above The Gibster.

So you're saying that no other manager handles bullpens and lineups differently? Firing Gibbons and replacing him with a better guy would make no difference? When Kevin Cash was hired by the Rays, I said they'd overachieve in 2015. They've done so with far less overall talent /health than Toronto. He knew Yan Gomes was a catcher when the entire Jays organization thought he was a utility player. A good manager helps a team. A bad manager hurts a team. An average manager probably makes no difference. I can tell you which category Gibby fits under, but you don't seem to see what others have seen for a decade with this guy.

Not saying he would have been perfect but he would not have done the dumb s*** AA did after Stroman got hurt.

What if the Jays hired a manager that knows how to handle a bullpen? That plays his best players regardless of personal bias? That doesn't use 20-year old relievers every game with no regard for their long-term health? No manager will turn this team into a 100 win monster, but a better manager using the roster more effectively may give this team a better shot. Gibbons wasn't that guy a decade ago and isn't that guy now.

I wish the Jays got Duquette in December (after all the big moves were made). AA did a good job adding talent but Duquette would have rounded out the roster better and fired Hickons before it was too late.

Copeland shouldn't have been in the Majors unless 3-4 MLB starters got hurt. The fact that he was the team's first depth call-up shows a complete lack of common sense by AA.

The pythag is still good, so no worries. The sarcastic "good managing by Gibbons" will return when they win their next blowout. Rinse and repeat.

Yep. The Blue Jays have spent years ruining my love for baseball. Might be time to scale back. Something really sinister happened after 1993 that caused this curse.

They had their chance to fire Gibbons before the big hot streak. They won't do it now. If the Jays are not winning a blowout, they will find ways to lose, while idiots will talk about luck and pythag.

f*** you Cecil.

Cecil's not going to get borderline calls when he can't spot anything.

Cecil has no f***ing command.

Catching Dickey seems easier for Martin than catching Cecil.

Cecil is the anti-LOOGY. Can't get lefties out at all this season.

Ugh. This game seems completely unwinnable now.

Bunt with Reyes. Don't bunt with Goins.

The big bopper Ryan Goins is up first. No worries.

Yep, this loss is going to hurt a lot.