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Sounds like Pentecost but who knows with these vague ass media reports.
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Look what Cespedes got. Wouldn't surprise me if Bautista wants 4/100 or 5/125. The AAV he wants is probably going to fall somewhere between $22-25M. It was never meant to be. Jays got him at a bargain for his best years. It will suck to see him play elsewhere but the team he goes to will be paying way more for his declining years. That's the way the Jays have to look at it.
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Jays apparently were going to send a prospect in the deal. Without knowing who the prospect was and how much money they were obligated to pick up, it's hard to say whether this is a good or bad thing. I'd rather have Bruce in LF with Pompey in AAA than Pompey in LF and a s*** storm in AAA and Saunders on the DL. But if the Jays were sending a good prospect and/or picking up a large chunk of Bruce's contract, then that's not appealing at all. I guess we will never know. I doubt the trade gets re worked, and if it's Saunders who is the hold up, then I hope it doesn't. Last thing the Jays need is to add prospects or money to make the deal more appealing.
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This was my fear when trading Ben Revere. Expecting Saunders to stay healthy was a pipe dream.
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Why did the Jays even tender Saunders?
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An injury concern for someone involved and it's not Bruce. I'm drawing a blank.
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It could be because of the cash involved as well. Maybe the Jays want the difference covered, while the Reds will only pay a portion, or something along those lines. Then again, Buster Trollney isn't exactly the best source for anything baseball related.
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Yep. Improves the defense, and Jackson at the very least will stay healthy and provide a 1-2 WAR for a season. That's more than I can say for Saunders, unless his knee has miraculously healed (the fact that he's being shopped probably disproves that theory).
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Their drunken conversation of Pillar being a great lead off hitter and Bruce batting 3rd in 2017 was probably worth listening to.
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Blair is actually Tweeting that s***, but it's not surprising.
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I don't disagree that Bruce could be bad. They obviously disagree, though. As I said, as long as they are not adding payroll or trading anyone other than Saunders, it's a meh trade for me. I would have traded Saunders to the Angels and just signed Jackson, as someone else suggested, to be honest.
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I don't want Bruce. I'm just saying if the deal is just Saunders/Bruce with no increased payroll obligations and no prospects involved, then I don't see the big deal. Saunders was a non-tender candidate for me.
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If they think Bruce can bounce back offensively, and don't have to add payroll or trade prospects in this swap, then what's the big deal? Saunders is a year removed from knee surgery and missing all of 2015. There's no guarantee he's going to be healthy or good. If they think Bruce's offense can be fixed, and that's all they have to give up to see if it can, then it's not worthy of negative backlash. If no money is involved, or the Jays are sending meaningful prospects, then that's a different story.
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Lake or Carrera, most likely. Unless they pick someone else up.
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If the deal from the Jays end is just Saunders for Bruce, then I don't see why it would make anyone think less of Shapiro. I'm not a Bruce fan by any means, but Saunders is not even close to a sure thing as far as staying healthy, and Bruce does have some offensive upside. To me it comes down to 1. how much money the Reds are picking up, and 2. what else the Jays are giving up. If it's Saunders for Bruce with the Jays not picking up any (or much) salary and no prospect is involved, and it's a meh trade at worst. It really depends on those two things. Of course, reviewing Saunders' records might take us into the start of the season.
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The difference in salary between Bruce and Saunders is so big that I can't possibly see the Jays paying the difference. There has to be a s*** ton of money being covered, and maybe the Jays have to throw in a prospect to compensate for that. Hopefully not a good one.
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Saunders for prospect(s) and then sign Jackson? I'm sold. I don't trust Saunders' knee at all.
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Yeah, seriously. I can't see Shapiro trading a decent prospect for Bruce, but I'm going to be a little nervous until something is confirmed (whether the deal happens or not).
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Come on Shapiro/Atkins, don't trade prospects for Jay frickin Bruce.
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If the Reds are picking up the difference, then I'm fine with it. I wasn't expecting s*** from Saunders on one knee, so if the Jays are paying Bruce the equivalent of $2.9m to see if his bat can be fixed, then so be it. If he fails, then decline the option for next year and move. If he bounces back, then you have a LF/DH/1B option for 2017. But yeah, not looking forward to him playing LF.
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Damn, Bautista going all in on Rogers.
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Honestly, I think the 2015 trades were more justifiable (whether I agreed with them or not), but reality is those trades were simply doubling down on a franchise changing 2013 off-season. He made terrible, terrible trades in 2013. The 2015 momentarily made us forget about 2013, but the direction he was taking was simply not a sustainable process. I've said before, AA leaving was a calculated move on his part. He leaves as a hero without having to deal with the post-2016 s*** storm, and his replacements get all the blame for things that he himself would not have been able to do (re-signing Price, fitting Bats/Edwin into a $140m payroll after 2016, etc). I'd rather see the team be consistently good than have one or two good years before another drought. No one will give a damn about the bat flip in 2019 if the Jays miss the playoffs in 2016, 17, and 18. You have to build a consistent winner. Trading prospects for guys making $20m a year from ages 31-36 is not the way to do that, and that approach is going to catch up to the Jays after 2016. Shapiro/Atkins have done a good job of at least weathering it a bit.
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Grouping Donaldson with every other trade he has made the last three years (Marlins, Dickey, Price, Tulo) doesn't make the sum better. Trading prospects for four years of arbitration versus prospects for huge free agent contracts attached to players in their 30's doesn't quite mean the same thing.
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That wasn't his point. His point was the roster from a financial standpoint can't possibly keep this group together. From an age standpoint it wouldn't make sense to keep this group together for the expected cost. And the prospect capital traded over the last three years will make it very difficult to replace the departing free agents internally. Shapiro getting blamed for something that was inevitable is definitely unfair, but that's reality.
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The five year deal he initially signed was not a discount at the time. Bautista showed all the signs of a sustainable breakout but given his age and his prior performance it was definitely a risk by the Jays as well. In hindsight he was grossly underpaid, so he does have a reason to test free agency. Regardless, no big shock. I've been saying for months that he's gone after the year. Front office won't overpay for him and Bautista won't sign for less.