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True, they didn't have much of a rotation at this time last year, so it was more than just depth pick ups, but this winter will require more.

The off-season is going to be nuts. Last winter, the Jays just needed some depth to surround whatever was left of the 2015 team. This winter they will need to do some very heavy lifting. Should be fun.

Yeah I don't think Osuna is going to start, ever. Ship has sailed. I see Biagini starting in AAA as a SP though. Pen arms are easy as hell to find. If they think he has any upside as a starter, then they should see what they got.

Not mad at all. I mean it sucks that the Jays lost, but nothing but respect for the Indians. They played great ball all series and are incredibly well managed. They also didn't even have Carrasco, Salazar, and Brantley, which makes it even more astonishing that they played so well. That team is really well built. The fact that Shapiro had a hand in building that team, or at least was in the same role as he is now in that setting, is a great sign for the Jays.

The worst case scenario for giving Bautista the QO is he comes back for one year at $17M. That would actually benefit the team, not hurt them. Bautista is getting the QO, and he should.

He is signed through 2017. So seems like a perfect scapegoat if the team does poorly.

His ego is too big to accept the QO, but I could see him coming back. Poor season by his standards, two DL stints, age 36, draft pick attached to him, has about as much range in the outfield as a pylon, etc. Wouldn't shock me if he comes back to the Jays when other teams don't give him the type of money he wants. I wouldn't mind if he did on a 1 year deal to be honest. Just stick him at DH. The Martin contract, especially the way it was backloaded, was a bitch move by AA. He knew he was out the door and didn't have to deal with the worst part of the contract. Still had a fairly decent season but it was a big step down from last year. Have to hope he can bounce back next season. Maybe having a capable back-up will allow him to get more rest.

Yeah seems like Gibbons will take Upton out the moment a righty is brought in, which is why he went with that alignment, but still he's putting in the weakest defensive alignment out there with Estrada on the mound. Just have to hope no balls are hit to Bautista, I guess.

I'm talking about his entire post season numbers. They are garbage this year. If he was hitting like he was last year, then he'd still be a douche, but one we could live with. When he's a douche coming off a regular season where he had a lower WAR than Darwin Barney and s***** post season numbers on top of that, then yeah, his s*** is not going to fly as much. Did you even see his spring training tirade about his contract? Edwin was asked the same f***ing questions and he answered it about as classy as one could. Edwin said he wanted to stay but won't discuss during the season. Guess what? The media quit asking him about it after that. What a f***ing mind blowing concept! I guess you don't have to be an ******* and egomaniac when asked that question. Bautista did not get that memo apparently. As far as showing him respect for what he has done, what the hell does that mean? By saying he's acting like a douche (which he is) is not belittling any of his accomplishments. Come on.

He's not been very good this season, including the playoffs (where he's been s***). You can live with his douchiness when he's a star, but when he's a DH parading as an outfielder that can't hit as well as he's used to, then it becomes more obnoxious than anything. The guy walked into spring training and created a distraction for no reason with his 5/150 BS, then proceeds to have his worst season since becoming a star, then gets punched in the face to become a walking meme for the rest of his life, and that still doesn't humble him enough. Now he has to blame umpires and talk s*** about a rookie that could easily shut the Jays out today with the way the bats have been swinging. It's just really annoying. You expect fans to be excited about him saying stuff like that? Any other player on another team, and we'd be calling him what he is. The Bautista we see today and in the future will not be the same Bautista that we saw from 2010-15. It won't happen. Maybe in his mind he is still that player, and maybe he does have a bounce back year in him, but more likely we are seeing the beginning stages of his decline. His s*** won't fly if he's not the same guy.

He brought Osuna in when down 2 in Game 3 and up 4 in Game 4. He has no idea about leverage.

Bauer walked two batters and had blood squirting out of his finger. Francona did not move in the dugout. Yet, Gibbons (seeing his team with an actual chance to score) makes the decision for Cleveland. True managerial genius.

Yeah, lets not try to hire someone good. Other teams are employing s***** managers, so by god, the Jays should keep theirs!

3 more years of Martin, guys. I'm looking forward to it.

They've pitched well, played great defense, had timely hits, and have been managed beautifully. I really don't care who wins the WS if the Jays are eliminated in the ALCS, but if Cleveland wins, it's no big deal for me. Team has played great ball.

Honestly, I don't think he knows the percentages, otherwise his decision making (assuming he had a brain at all) would be different. I think he's just an old school guy who thinks the starter should be pushed until 100 pitches or until he gets into trouble rather than reading the situation and reacting on it. He's awful. Francona bitch slapped him in this series, to the surprise of no one.

He hadn't reached 100 pitches yet, so Stro had to stay in. /Gibby logic. Anyone who thinks a manager doesn't make a difference, watch how Francona manages compared to the Hick the Jays have in their dugout.

Bautista definitely got a meatball and just missed it. Damn, he's been awful this playoffs. How many more innings until Miller? Need to score again before he's on the mound.

He has 3/60 left on his contract which covers ages 34-36 and is coming off his worst season in 7 years (based on WAR) at age 33. No team is touching that contract, especially with so many good framers in the league now.

If the Jays lose this game, they can pack up and prepare for the off-season. This game is being spoon fed to them and they are f***ing it up so far.

Thanks for starting Goins, Gibby. Keep doing it.

When Gibbons makes one good move he has to offset it with a s***** one to still showcase his incompetence (hence why the right move in Jose leading off is countered with Goins starting). Oh well. Just win this damn game.

The umpiring sucks across baseball. It's not just the Jays. Just shut up about it and work around it. Complaining about it won't accomplish anything positive. If Bautista didn't strike out on 3 pitches against Kluber in the first inning of game 1, or with runners on in game 2 against Tomlin (both swinging) and so on, then maybe the whining wouldn't be necessary. This dude has been complaining about umps forever. It's tired, and the fans latch on to it as some sort of Canadian conspiracy every single time. It's just bad umpiring that will always exist until they go to robots. Incompetence doesn't target anyone in particular in this case.

Bautista is a douche. Always has been.

If the Indians won both games by a combined score of 23-4, then it would have.