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  1. Cooler Heads Prevail
    Buddy, listen very carefully. Closers are NOT easily replaceable. Closers and premium setup guys are not "middle relievers". You need to stop throwing around names of every relief pitcher on the team like they are all the same. You also need to recognize that the entire premise of this discussion was YOUR idea to trade away ALL of the best relievers on the Jays team and replace them with Santos and minor league prospects. This is why I said you were acting like a troll. Now its like you are on Ritalin or something. Stick to the topic and remember you set the premise.
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    Excuse me, I have always recommended moving Delebar. What you said was move ALL of them. Which is stupid. Why don't you get this ? If you have two strong 1B players you don't start on a premise you want to trade both of them for prospects. Its the same for back end relievers. Surely you understand the difference between trading all of Janssen/Delebar/Cecil rather then trading one of them.
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    You need to make up your mind if you are talking about Loup/Oliver or Janssen/Delebar. The way you talk about things is like saying we need to trade Bautista and Encarnacian ( yes, I see that silly concept on these forums too ) but what you might have meant was trade Davis and De Rosa.
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    Some of these posters are somewhat delusional. They'd only miss Janssen when the next guy starts blowing 25% of his saves. Or worse in the case of Gregg and Santos since he became a Jay. Its obvious that if you can get something useful for Delebar and/or their huge overcollection of middle relievers they should make a move. I'd like to think Delebar being extremely effective right now would be good trade bait.
  5. Cooler Heads Prevail
    Show me one example from the past where a team did what you recommend successfully. Any season any team. Has to be a good bullpen and the best three guys got traded away.
  6. Cooler Heads Prevail
    Are you just a troll buddy ? Because you are just sounding ignorant now.
  7. Cooler Heads Prevail
    You seem to have a quest to turn the Jays into a AAA level team. Wagner and Perez have ZERO history as effective pitchers beyond limited time this year. Santos is on the DL almost full time and has only half a season of reliable closing. Middle guys can be traded, but every team needs an effective closer and one "go to" set up guy on their pitching staff ( minimum ). Trading effective major league pitchers for minor league prospects might make you better in 2017, but by then Bautista/Encarnancian/Reyes/Dickey are gone. You need to understand how time windows work in baseball and where the Jays are at this point.
  8. Cooler Heads Prevail
    Apparently some of these new wave stats are pretty useless then. Seriously, lumping in Janssen with the others is foolish anyways. The guy has been an effective pitcher for many years. And please, the cast off reliever for closers plan was tried VERY RECENTLY. It was Gregg/Francisco and the gang, and the team, despite having stronger starting pitching , was a .500 team as well. The fact the "closers" blew around 9 games in the 9th inning in the first two months of the season was pretty much the reason they were out of contention. So we don't have to speculate what this kind of plan might look like, we've already seen it very recently. The closer is one of the most important guys on the team. He may have watered down impact on a bad team, but you can almost never be a playoff team without a good one. Any reasonable plan involves contending in 2014. Anyone here who thinks the Jays need to rebuild now from scratch is absurd.
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    Seriously, this is a ridiculous idea. Just because you have a surplus doesn't mean you clean house. Although, it is similar to what they did with catchers. How did that turn out ? Arencebia in, Napoli/D'Arnaud/Buck/Mathis/Gomes/... out. If they had kept one of the others, they'd have options beyond Arencebia every game and hope he gets better.
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    I see no reason to move the only clutch reliever the team has had in several years when we are stacked with strong setup men. I'd be trading Delebar. The assumption seems to be Janssen will fetch more value but I have my doubts. Remember, Brandon League got them Morrow which was a pretty good trade until Morrow got hurt. Delebar has great stats right now this might be the very best time to move him.
  11. Cooler Heads Prevail
    Seriously, they don't need to trade ALL their relievers and create a potential mess for next season. I'd think Delebar and some middle guys could be traded for value and not hurt the team for 2014. Delebar would be of value to any team unsure of their closer ( even teams not contending ). If you clear out all your closers all you do is create a huge hole later, and lacking a strong closer actually is one of the worst attributes a team can have. When we had Gregg and Francisco(?) it was like a gong show out there in the 9th.
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