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Yes there is. U instinctively break back on a line drive It's baseball 101

Bad selfish baseball. But it's what I expect from reyes

I agree Reyes has a small anchor around his neck now. Will keep getting heavier over the next couple years. His D is not strong now. Will keep getting worse. His approach at bat is selfish Try to move now, but I don't think there are any takers out there

Bluejays have forgotten him also

Funny how tv did not mention that at all

I count 28

This is my problem with Rogers. They are not "all in". This leads to perpetual mediocrity Toronto is not a small market team. Yet they are being budgeted like one Please start the rebuild

any news out there today??

it won't benefit the Jays. it will cut into Bluejay market same problem SF has with Oakland relocating to San Jose

i agree, that you go clean. I'm a Buffalo Sabre fan (ugh) and i love what they have done. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Two or three years from now they will compete for Cup, not just hope to make the playoffs annually like the Leafs. We are at that point with the Blue Jays. Either clean it up and sell your assets now or Retool and continue to languish in mediocrity. we disagree on what should have happened after 2013.

i think $150 is fair because it is what other large market teams are paying. we are a large market team

and what do you suggest? fire PB and AA, blow it up and start over

I've put forward my suggestion, and backed up why i thought (or hoped) that would have happened. What is your suggestion/plan?

i have responded in post #211 regarding when to stop spending. i think taking team salary to 150'ish this season with the addition of say Infante and Santana (wishful thinking) would give you a valid team to evaluate if they were good enough or not. That's what i would have liked to see then.. As i have indicated, i believe that a team salary budget of $150m is fair. the 2014 roster as composed at the start of the season (and now) is not good enough to compete for 162 games. there have been hot streaks but over the long haul the team will fail. In my fairytale world, if those two additions didn't take us to compete in the playoffs then sell off all veteran talent. The "core" are not good enough. But the flaw in this season is that nothing was done (other than Dinner) and we are close enough to be fooled into competing. now we are in position to trade valuable prospects instead of FA signings in the offseason. Rogers has f***ed up. They have let 2013 extend into 2014. its just one season that has lasted for two years. i don't think this is AA's decision. you believe this season is AA's doing. Again, we have no information to decide this point. AA is the GM, ultimately he will fall.

and maybe Rogers is happy with the job they are doing after a major adjustment to the roster in 2013 there needed to be a couple adjustments/additions. Maybe AA is at fault for not projecting 2014 preseason roster additions when he made the deals in 2013. to me its reasonable to hope rogers would allow $20mil on FA signings after they approve all the 2013 deals. Especially when 2013 flamed out so badly. Again that's my opinion that bluejay payroll s/b at $150m level. if the 2014 Jays fail with Infante at 2b and Ervin Santana pitching then i would say blow the whole thing up. trade away your big salary vets. Fire PB and AA. You have failed. but, it would be nice to see where the team sits with those two guys on the roster for the whole season. Wishful thinking and fairy tales......... again that's my opinion.

we will never know will we

although he prob wouldn't have signed in Toronto because we have artificial turf btw, who is to blame for Toronto still having turf??? we can agree that AA isn't to blame for that right? LOL, thanks guys for the good baseball conversation i think it is reasonable for Rogers to have taken team payroll to $150mil. Its reasonable because we have the biggest baseball market in North America. We can't see how much Roger makes off the Jays TV because Rogers is a private company. I am sure that with the audience they pull in the advertising revenue is substantial

i think he deserves some credit for this. The players were drafted on his watch and developed in the jays system.

thanks, that's who i was just going to look up. He would be perfect in our lineup

they are both to blame I was very excited for the future when AA made the deals in 2013 however Dickey has sucked. JJ sucked, MB was okay LY, good this season, Reyes has been a huge disappointment, the other plug was horrible. Mizeer Izturis has underperformed while healthy and blew out his knee walking down a flight of stairs. Melky was bad LY, good value this year. Should AA have anticipated these results?? if the players performed how i expected (hoped i guess), where would the team be now? However, with hindsight AA should have anticipated this regression and not made the deals. I liked the moves back then and give credit to AA, PB and the jays for trying. if the deals were not made, the Jays would likely be in a worse position but with a stronger minor league system. JB and EE would likely be traded for more prospects. We would be like the Cubs. Minors stacked, s*** in the majors. However, no retooling after 2013 season is on Rogers (i assume) I like how AA has restocked the farm at this point. We have a number of prospects who are moving up various lists along with others who will get there shortly Anyway I still hold out hope. I don't want to make a desperate trade now to lose our top prospects. I want a long term plan for franchise success. I hope Rogers has this. If AA is to blame for the trade failure, then we should replace him with someone who can adequately lead the team in the future years. That's my rambling for the afternoon. I know everyone has their own opinion and most on here disagree with me but i think AA is a good baseball guy.

do you agree that Toronto has a market equal to or larger than New York or LA? They have the market of Canada. The Jays tv viewers are significantly higher than both those markets I don't blame rogers or AA right now, I don't know who is to blame because we don't know what actually happened this year. I just hate that we are 4 games out and we don't know if we can take on any payroll to pick up a player or two now. i still believe Rogers has not been held to the fire for their. its my opinion that they are not all in on this season based on the preseason actions when the Jays won the world series they sold out every game and had the highest payroll in the majors. it allowed gillick to get the studs to finish the job. right now we don't know what AA is allowed to do

to be all in based on the offseason needs that were identified by everyone and not acted upon I think we needed to go to $150mill. needed 14mil for starting pitcher needed 6 mill for starting 2B needed 2 mill for adequate backups, not AAA fillers we now see throughout the lineup

they are not ALL IN, I disagree. not signing a pitcher in the off season proves that. they needed payroll concessions. 128mil is a reasonable payroll, not HUGE based on our market size.

obviously, the Jays are the only team on that list who have not been to the playoffs in the last 20 years. We don't know what restrictions Rogers has put on AA after the trades they approved. Either your are pregnant or you are not. To me the Jays are half pregnant right now. its an impossible position for a GM/team to be in

I consider it "grinding it out" when the team passes the hat around to sign a player in the preseason. AFter the trades, they should have been all in, instead they are half way in. very unsatisfying. regarding the farm - they could dump more $$ in international signings like the Rays, Sox and Yankees have dun. Anyway, I'd like to see a firm commitment and the message in 2014 is definitely not been there. not yet anyway