TwistedLogic

DeRozan is on POINT tonight.

Or his repulsive twitter feed. The people that actually follow Wilner are even dumber and more obnoxious than Wilner himself.

Some tweets pertaining to the signing: It's way less than I thought he'd get.

http://i.gyazo.com/36f7195a50506ecd2a084cf96ab3e160.png The Diamondbacks have reached agreement on a six-year, $68.5MM deal with Cuban slugger Yasmany Tomas, reports MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez. The deal includes an opt-out that can be triggered after four seasons, and is pending physical, per Sanchez. The overall guarantee lands just a hair over the $68MM that the White Sox promised Jose Abreu last year. Given changes in the market in the interim — largely driven, perhaps, by Abreu’s own incredible success — that price tag may feel low at first glance. Indeed, much attention has been given to the idea that Tomas, with his prodigious power and youth, could not only beat the Rusney Castillo contract (seven years, $72.5MM) but also reach nine figures. Of course, the opt-out will play an important role in assessing this deal’s true value, especially once it is learned how much of the guarantee falls under the contract’s last two years. The 4+2 opt-out structure means that Tomas could reach free agency before his age-28 season. If his bat lives up to the hype, he’ll have another shot at a massive payday at that point. But he will have to prove it on the field first. As MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes wrote in his profile of Tomas, the 70-grade raw power is the right-handed hitter’s calling card. His other tools appear largely to be average or slightly below, and it remains unclear precisely what position Tomas will play and how his defensive ability will shake out. Though considered mobile in relation to his hulking frame, Tomas has drawn some concerns about his body and overall conditioning. via MLBTR

I didn't know Drew Fairservice got a gig with FanGraphs. Good on him.

You know, I'd try not to be as liberal at throwing out the word "dumbass" if I was in your shoes. Just saying. No you didn't really say "Good Day" until you actually just said it right now. Pedanticism is fun.

I usually like you as poster on this site, until you occasionally go on these drunken tirades, where you cease making sense and end up needing to take five different posts to get half of a point across. Anyways, I'm going to dip out of this conversation since it's lead to nowhere, enjoy spamming the boards.

http://i.gyazo.com/f28ca104a17c3a4ff248b23ac9eccfd3.png You quoted my post at 8:03 and said "K....". 9 minutes later, you quoted the exact same post and said something else, as if you completely forgot that you already commented on it. No offence to the writing style that you prefer, but I'd rather take 2 minutes to write a paragraph and make my point off the bat than make a useless fragmented post, sit there dwelling on the person's comment for 10 minutes, and then realize I have something else to add.

Exactly. I should know better than to give you that much credit and to think something longer than two sentences will be able to hold your attention before, oh hey look a birdie!

lol @ how precious it is that you of all people on this board is talking about avatars. It's common for people to use pictures of models and actresses on forums; it makes it easier on the eyes. Nobody here is dumb enough to think that I'm trying to relate myself with a model. If a picture of Paul Beeston where he looks like a sex offender is what appeals to you, then more power to you; different strokes for different folks. You spend the bulk of your time on this forum seeking me out and constantly quoting my posts, going out of your way to make personal insults and (unsuccessfully) get a rise out of me... yeah, that seems a lot more like attention seeking than having a certain kind of avatar.

Informative. It's okay, it's my fault for forgetting that I probably shouldn't try to get into constructive debates with you. Let's keep it to jokes about drinking, awkwardly creative insults to trolls, and trite and nonsensical statements in ALL CAPS.

Feeling needy again? Should I be flattered that your desperate pleas for attention are always targeted at me? Does it hurt your poor little feelings that bad that I don't remember who you are? Is my acknowledgement that dear to you?

Right, and those hundreds of thousands of people were wrong on Daisuke, and had they had their way, they would have bought into an albatross that hamstrung the payroll at a time where it wasn't nearly as high as it is now. Not only that, but the scars of the Daisuke contract would probably have made it impossible for you to create a strong enough marketing pitch that Rogers would have bought into on a very similar case, so it probably would have left the Jays entirely out on Darvish anyway. So really, the Jays taking the route they did on Japanese players basically just ended up saving them $100M. Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Funny and ironic. Another premature post. Doing things prematurely seems to be your thing tonight. Scroll up buddy. You'll find that response for your original post.

It's not a strawman in the least. Just because it hurts your stance, it's a strawman? Your argument is based in its entirety on the idea that the international market is the Jays' most viable source of acquiring talent and that they absolutely need to take those risks. Which is why if you have any interest in taking a logical standpoint, you should agree entirely that they should have signed Daisuke. They need to take those risks right? Why should they only be criticized for missing out on the players that wind up being good? At the time of their signings, they're all similar types of risks right? This is why so many people on these boards have trouble showing any credibility in their arguments whatsoever. You guys base every single one of your judgements on the crutch of hindsight. Nobody ever puts themselves in the position of an actual executive in these FO's and tries to assess these situations through that lens.

I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with the popular opinion, it means they're taking a side or "making excuses for the front office". I have absolutely no reason to do that, and nothing to gain by doing so. I just prefer to look at things objectively without the lens of a blind angry homer and without basing my opinions completely and utterly on hindsight and revisionist history. Their business is to build a roster and take calculated risks within the parameters allowed to them by their ownership. Darvish at the time was not a risk they felt comfortable taking (or weren't afforded the opportunity by ownership), and there was no past precedence to argue otherwise. Based on how high the Rangers' bid was compared to everyone else, 28 other GM's seemed to agree. They were all wrong, yes, but they were all correct on passing on Daisuke as well. Tanaka's contract looked like an atrocious overpay at the time, and it looks even worse now after he missed most of the season in a year that was key for the Yankees. I do agree that they've choked on the Cuban market. Where there wasn't a very large historical track record beforehand, Cespedes set a precedent by proving that it was a fruitful market. Puig further cemented the legitimacy of that market as a genuine source of premium talent. They should have been heavily in on Abreu, and after Abreu showed tremendous success himself, they should have been in on Castillo. They should be doing everything they can right now to scout, and possibly even sign Tomas. Cuban bats have shown absolutely no trouble in transitioning to the major leagues as of yet.

By prematurely you mean that you replied before even reading the second sentence. Based on the line of thinking displayed in your post, the Jays should have also bid on and signed Daisuke, correct?

Via BlueBirdBanter: http://i.gyazo.com/606ffb978716ba3d45d473116f8e9fd5.png

Sorry, I should have made it clear that I was only talking about pitchers. There doesn't seem to be much of a market for hitters coming over from Japan, though I have no idea why.

And yet there was absolutely no precedent or past evidence to support that it was a good idea to pay a team $50M to talk to their Japanese pitcher. Sure it looks like an excellent deal in hindsight, but it hadn't ever worked out before. If anyone wants to be upset with the Jays failing at capitalizing on the international market, it should be in regards to the Cuban players. The success rate of Cuban bats transitioning over to the majors has been unbelievable. Cespedes, Puig, Abreu; even Castillo had a great first sip of coffee last season, while Soler is regarded as one of the better prospects in the game. Darvish remains the only major bargain that has come over from Japan, and 29 other teams, not just the Blue Jays, missed out on him.

I say we see it within the next seven years.

Yeah I know, haha, I was just using Trumbo as an example of the kind of ridiculous premiums that power sometimes goes for on the market. And I think something along the lines of what you proposed is one of the more realistic scenarios, and I would be elated if they could get him at that kind of price tag.

Yes, I'm thinking along these lines, and if it's a salary dump, then it's something the Jays should jump at, but I have a feeling that at that point many other teams will be interested as well. Anyone remember what Trumbo was traded for?

I'd like Bruce, but like I said the other day, at the salary he's making, I wouldn't give up Sanchez for him. You can resign Melky or go after Headley without giving up prospects. If Cincy was willing to eat his salary, or if he was in arb or something, it'd be a different story.

Lowry!