John_Havok

I didnt expect any big moves to be done that would require sanchez or Stroman. There's no way you will ever convince me that towers was asking for Samchez or Stroman for Prado, but settled for a prospect literally 5 people have heard of out of the Yankees system, or that a decent pen arm would cost Stroman or Sanchez. Anyone expecting the blockbuster type trade is delusional, but those smaller low cost deals that would have still helped the team were also nowhere to be found. I find the argument of "well we don't know what other teams were offering or what they wanted so we better just assume AA did everything right" is a bit shortsighted.

Hope the jays take out theirs frustrations on Buchanen and light his ass up. Be frustrated off the field if you want, but once the game starts, put it away and be pros.

Rumours say Keuchel was not really on the market, they were just listening on him and McHugh in case something came along that was a huge overpay

I can't say i disagree. There were moves to be made today that could help the team without costing a lot.

There's a dude named Kike?...

Yup. Not that it would really matter in this game likely, but in a close game you sure as f*** don't take Gose and put him in LF in favor of jose in right. All that space out there you need the plus plus range of Gose

To me, a simple solution would be the following. You have batters boxes... Draw a catchers box in front of the plate and that's where his feet have to be until he has possession of the ball. If he has to move out of the box on the inside of the base lines or on the first base side of home, no problem. But if they move Into the foul territory up the third base line before they have the ball... If contact is made by the runner... He's safe.

OFFICIAL BASEBALL RULE 7.13 Collisions at home plate A runner attempting to score may not deviate from his direct pathway to the plate in order to initiate contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate). If, in the judgment of the umpire, a runner attempting to score initiates contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate) in such a manner, the umpire shall declare the runner out (even if the player covering home plate loses possession of the ball). In such circumstances, the umpire shall call the ball dead, and all other baserunners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the collision. Rule 7.13 comment: The failure by the runner to make an effort to touch the plate, the runner's lowering of the shoulder, or the runner's pushing through with his hands, elbows or arms, would support a determination that the runner deviated from the pathway in order to initiate contact with the catcher in violation of Rule 7.13. If the runner slides into the plate in an appropriate manner, he shall not be adjudged to have violated Rule 7.13. A slide shall be deemed appropriate, in the case of a feet first slide, if the runner's buttocks and legs should hit the ground before contact with the catcher. In the case of a head first slide, a runner shall be deemed to have slid appropriately if his body should hit the ground before contact with the catcher. Unless the catcher is in possession of the ball, the catcher cannot block the pathway of the runner as he is attempting to score. If, in the judgment of the umpire, the catcher without possession of the ball blocks the pathway of the runner, the umpire shall call or signal the runner safe. Notwithstanding the above, it shall not be considered a violation of this Rule 7.13 if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner in order to field a throw, and the umpire determines that the catcher could not have fielded the ball without blocking the pathway of the runner and that contact with the runner was unavoidable. To me, the bolded part made the call what it was. He couldn't give Melky a lane because he had to go up the line to field the throw

Not sure if you could argue that it was the throw that forced the catcher up the line, if that's where the throw goes, he still has to be allowed to catch it. It's one of those rules that umpires still don't really know how to call, which is why unless it's plainly obvious, it won't get overturned.

No kidding. It's like he gets up there with runners on and figures the first pitch is going to be the only good one, sells out and ends up looking silly

No kidding. They can't lose these days. Jays have been on a tear and only made up 1 game.

Buck really wants to f*** Brock Holt.

The why did you state earlier in the thread "He's no sure bet to mash lefties, But arguing that because of regression he can't is much more stupid," when You're basically agreeing with the principle of regression?

Which would then seem to indicate that expecting lower numbers than his prior stats would suggest, because it's based on a small sample size would seem pretty smart... Correct? That's basically what you just said so I assume you would agree

Why is it stupid? You said yourself he's no sure bet to mash lefties. Explain why

Reyes (3pts) - LetTheBallFly Melky (3pts) - o2cui2i Bautista (1pt) - bowld, Gen.Disarray, Frenchsoup,johnhavok Navarro (4pts) - P2F, JG34 Colby "f***IN" Rasmus (2pts) - Dylan, Spanky99, GD, G-Snarls Kawasaki (9pts) - Gose (8pts) - Goins (9pts) -baseballssss,vdub Francisco (2pts) - Orgfiller, Deadpool, BBBB Bench (10pts) -

Basically, the entire second half leader board that didn't make the playoffs in the first half.... Is making the playoffs in the second half. Hmmmmmm

Mods can lock this please.

Only reason I made the playoffs in the first half is picking Tolleson for two of his three homers.

It's not hindsight. The writers then all knew guys cheated, the only difference is that writers kept quiet because they knew if they wrote anything bad about players, they'd have no job. Back then, writers covered one team, and it was all newspapers. The only difference is that now, the fans know as well and now the writers can climb on their high holy horse and admonish the new generations cheaters while pretending their own generation wasn't just as dirty. Now, with the internet, mass national media, social media, now they don't have to worry about biting the hand that feeds them. It's a ridiculous double standard. And yes, IMO, it is wrong to hold someone out now for cheating, when you already have cheaters in. If you really think the Hall of fame should be cheater free, you should be actively against all cheaters in the hall, not just the new ones. It's all ego. The old time HOF members think they have to continue to support the ******** pretence that their generation was clean, because if they didnt they'd have to admit that they're the same as Bonds. And they dont want to do that because of all the negativity around him, so they go public with all their " I'll boycott the hall of fame ceremony if Bonds is inducted" trash to protect themselves and their fake legacy. It's hypocrisy at it's finest. If any of those old codgers had an ounce of integrity, they would come out and admit publicly that the hall of fame is already full of cheats, and it needs to be cleaned up. Fat chance of that happening.

Who mentioned racism about Ty Cobb? Sure he was a raging bigot, but I'm talking about him intentionally trying to hurt other players on the field, spiking every guy he could where he slid into a base. The fact that he hated anyone who wasn't white is just further proof. Why are you holding Bonds to a different standard than those who are already in the Hall?

Pompey hitting .450 in his last 10... Ops over 1.000... Looks like he made a nice adjustment

Reyes (3pts) - vdub Melky (3pts) - P2F Bautista (1pt) - LetTheBallFly, GD, johnhavok Colby "f***IN" Rasmus (2pts) - Spanky99, JG34 Juan (2pts) - Kawasaki (9pts) - Gose (8pts) - Goins (9pts) - Dylan Thole (9pts) - Bench (10pts) -o2cui2i

Then your calculator sucks. saber loves the guy

It's always key to pretty much ignore stat lines in the lower minors, for the most part until a kid gets to High A at least, they're still going to be judged on their tools. Nay has a good, not great hit tool and makes loud contact with excellent power potential and doesn't strikeout a ton(though does need to improve). Good strike zone awareness(of course needs to be refined) and could stick at 3b defensively. Projects as a solid everyday major leaguer with the chance to be all star calibre if his bat continues to develop. Here's a quick writeup from John Sickels in January of this year: 3) Mitch Nay, 3B, Grade B: Aggressive grade for rookie ball player but I believe in this bat. Good power potential, has some pure hitting skills, controls the zone reasonably and avoids strikeouts. Needs more defensive polish but bat can be special. Side note though, I'd still probably rank Barreto higher.