Yeah, I think the Jays could swing the trade without including both Tiedemann and Orelvis, but then again i think if they really wanted to go all in...get Giolito and Robert, give them whatever they ask for, get a couple relief arms somewhere and then let the chips fall where they may.
In that sense he would basically be repeating AAs last season by further gutting the system, but would still have multiple years of window left rather than everyone being a rental.