John_Havok

Dunno, on one hand it makes perfect sense that you'd only blow your wad if you land the big fish, but on the other hand if you're willing to go that high for only 1 player, why not go that high anyways and maybe land 3 upper-mid guys?

Was watching mLB Network at some point in the past week and it was said the Jays have 2 budget numbers in mind for 2024, one that includes Ohtani and one that doesn't.

Saying something is a weakness of a system and could be better vs saying something is "non-existent" is not even close to the same thing. It's akin to rudimentary sales techniques that claim their product is "the best thing in the world" in order to attract attention. If thats what you need to do do get attention or to have an opinion noticed.... it probably means your opinion is worthless and without substance.

What can I say, pointless hyperbole without substance is just that....pointless.

How is it non-existent? Just because his guys don’t take up X number of spots on prospect lists every year doesn’t really mean all that much. Also, if the only way you evaluate drafting a development is if every guy drafted comes up to play for the Jays and excels, then every team in baseball sucks at drafting and development overall. Using prospects as trade bait is one aspect of a farm systems value. Jays also got 3 fWAR this season from 3 guys who combined for only like 230 PAs, none of whom even sniffed top 100 status like…ever. That doesn’t support your narrative of “non-existent” Manoah was a Cy young runner up on his second full season. not exactly “non-existent ” Also, understand I’m not saying the Jays system is stacked or anything and his drafting and development is amazing either; just that his drafting and development, while definitely an area that could use improvement, is not “non existent” by any stretch of the imagination.

AB roll call includes me, you, wilko and P2F though he doesnt post much anymore.

He'd go wherever gives him the money he wants. But...no I don't see the Jays looking for a guy like Rowdy.

Not really. He'd a year behind him in arb years, isnt a super 2 and don't hit 49 HRs a few seasons ago. He couldn't have got near that much yet.

Don't skip your meds. Please.

If you think for millisecond that MLB isnt watching all of this stuff extremely closely and needs a pitcher to let them know of anything that some random surgeons say, you're dreaming.

Did you mean incarcerate or...sign to longer term deal?

Truly

I doubt there's much of a causation link between geographic origin of a pitcher and their subsequent injury rates.

Athletic article on the Jays non-tender situation condensed version: Arbitration-eligible players with estimated 2024 salaries (via MLB Trade Rumors) Adam Cimber: $3.2 million - they seem to feel he is likely non-tendered Trevor Richards: $2.4 million - didnt even talk about him in the article, IMO he's tendered but a likely trade candidate Danny Jansen: $5.2 million - obviously tendered Vladimir Guerrero Jr.: $20.4 million - obviously tendered Tim Mayza: $3.3 million - obviously tendered Cavan Biggio: $3.7 million - they waffle a bit here, but to me he's a lock to be tendered Erik Swanson: $2.7 million - obviously tendered Jordan Romano: $7.7 million - obviously tendered Génesis Cabrera: $1.4 million - obviously tendered Santiago Espinal: $2.5 million - some back and forth on him, I think he's Non-tendered Daulton Varsho: $5.5 million - obviously tendered Alejandro Kirk: $2.6 million - obviously tendered Nate Pearson: $800K - obviously tendered Pre Arb Bubble Boys: not much insight on these guys since league minimum guys don't "need" to be cut to save money but IMO; RHP Wes Parsons - non-tendered RHP Zach Pop - keep C Tyler Heineman - dump and re-sign to minor league deal UTIL Ernie Clement - keep, trade candidate UTIL Otto Lopez - keep, trade candidate OF Nathan Lukes - could go either way, probably leaning towards keep right now given he's their defacto LF right now. Could be DFA once a real player is acquired.

Dude has already told his team his young guys are as good as gone as soon as it saves him money.

Every division with big spenders is competitive, though so…that kind of logic is pretty flawed.

Never in 100 years would Baltimore shell out 500 million on a player

Some teams haven't handed out 300 million total over the past 5 years for their entire teams. I would guess probably 5 teams or close to that

The TL : DR version..... I keep making 10s of millions of dollars in revenue sharing and I can't take the chance of that cash cow drying up...so f*** y'all, we out.

With Rivera gone the "mistakes" from 3rd have already been cut by 80%

They're also considering mound visits being reduced to 4 from 5

That's just one of those statements that is technically true, but the devil is in the details. a ton of the income Rogers takes is undoubtedly related to the Jays and the massive exposure the Rogers brand gets from owning them and the network

Hopefully Espinal Parsons, Heineman and maybe Lukes?

Well salary dump yes, but he also has been straight trash. His xFIP is awful. I'd still consider claiming him but I'd also probably try to DFA him right away to send to AAA

Yes, i had considered that the way it could work would be signing a great FA pitcher with Kikuchi then being the defacto 5...however that still leaves a problem with depth IF a trade of Manoah happens for a bat. Then you're still looking at scrap heap minor league deals where guys know they have virtually no shot at a major league job unless someone gets hurt. Not the worst situation to be in I guess, but when that's the case you don't get to pick and choose the signees, you get to pick the leftovers in January/Feb nobody else wanted. I think in that kind of scenario it would make more sense to sign both a big name starter and another middling guy and trade Kikuchi for a bat while his value is higher, keeping Manoah to pitch at AAA alongside Tiedemann and whomever else they can scrounge up. And yes Ohtani signing would be so huge. It's probably pipe dreaming, but the marketing he could be a part of for Rogers would be unparalleled