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Yuck, Salty might actually be worse than Kurt Suzuki. Maybe. Probably just as bad.

Talent? Holland was a truly elite reliever, like Kenley Jansen, right up until his arm broke. A potential 85 million dollar man before the injury. Hochevar had good K/BB numbers the last two years but he got a bit rocked in the zone. He was better in 2013 but not close to elite.

So it literally doesn't matter!

No, but there are still a bunch of names that I would like to sign. Howell, Logan, Furbush, Blevins, Wood, Maness, Hunter, Smith, Salas, Romo, Jepsen, Petit, Barrett, Tolleson, Belisle, Blanton, B.Norris, Hernandez, Holland, Hochevar. Look at them all!!!

I didn't notice the Floyd signing back on the 5th. Pretty good minor league deal.

Dermody has options. It would be very bad process to let him break camp with the team.

Salas is good! I think. When he broke in with the Cards back in 2011 he looked like a stud. His talent hasn't changed much or at all since then, but his usage and opportunities have varied considerably. After posting a 3.59 FIP in 2012 he spent half the year in AAA in 2013. Then he was excellent with the Angels but largely unnoticed due to not closing on a bad team. Possible free agent value RP (which is rare).

FWIW, I wouldn't characterize the 'no' argument as a slippery slope one. You're right that these are rare situations. I would characterize it as a "spirit of the rule" argument.

This is my inclination and my feeling. Also, we are talking about something between pick 20b and 40b, or maybe waiver #10. I feel like that level compensation is nearly insignificant and as a rule of thumb, in the spirit of our rule, if we ever find ourselves discussing such a small level of compensation it's probably best to step back and realize that the exercise is largely pointless and no compensation is warranted because it very likely won't have any substantial affect anyway. Being said, I have a conflict of interest with TCA as a division rival and don't want to rule on this unilaterally. So I'd like an odd number of league leaders to discuss it quickly and come to some decision as soon as they can. Maybe three to five of you, dinger, KK, z3r0s, thehurl, and boxy would want to form that committee?

No matter where you draw the line, there will be borderline situations. Making thick black boxes on things often just carries the air of objectivity without the substance. I don't think our rule really needs any tweaking.

And f***ing stupid. And not funny, even if you have assburgers too.

RIP in pieces, Yordano.

My knee-jerk reaction was that Ventura isn't in the class of players we meant to compensate. We can't pretend that 2016 didn't happen. It did, it was real bad, and it affected his projections and his value. If Shelby Miller died right now would we compensate his death? So far we've compensated for Jose Fernandez, a bona-fide Ace in his youth and arguably the #2 or #3 SP in Dynasty, and Oscar Taveras, the arguable #1 prospect in baseball at the time of his death. Those were Dynasty cornerstone assets. Ventura was a SP6 on a good team in our league. Even when he was good, it's not like he was great at K/BB, K/9, or OBPA - he was probably an SP4 on a decent team. We've also never given compensation proportionate to what a player's trade value at time of death would have been. I'm pretty sure TheHurl would not have traded Fernandez for two prospects 3+ years away. I'm pretty sure Boxcar would not have traded Oscar for two draft picks, no matter how high. IF we decide to give something for the loss of Ventura 20b seems high to me. I don't know if I would have been willing to trade pick 21 for Ventura... I recognize that Ventura was much better in 2014 and 2015, and that he still had a lot of upside, and that he was still very young. Those things are points in favour of him being worth compensation. But, this would severely lower the floor and set a different precedent for this type of thing. IF we compensate for Yordano then we are essentially committing to compensate for every objectively keeper quality player that dies. I'm open minded and reading every comment here though. We wrote the compensation rule with specific language. I would encourage people to refer to it.

Juan Adrian road accident, identification of the deceased is expected. Vehicle belongs to baseball player Yordano Ventura. #ZDigital

RE: Co-Managers The DDL's policy is that we frown upon co-managers. They are not strictly against the rules and their benefits in certain circumstances are clear. However, in the league's opinion too many co-managers is a net negative that makes league activity awkward and annoying.

He transitioned to female and followed Peter Pan into the shadow world? cool

As usual, you're wrong and frustrated about it.

Kurt Suzuki is awful. Can't hit, can't frame, can't throw... doesn't have the general athleticism that he had when he was younger that made him an above replacement level catching option.

I like his hats

I think we are at the age point when Miggy doesn't even go top 15 or 20 in a Dynasty draft

no, fu

A lot of what you're carrying on about, or stumbling over, is just semantics. "league average player" in the WAR context means league average starter. "league average player" does not mean the mean talent of everybody who laces them up, for whatever amount of time, in the big leagues. In reality in baseball there is functional overlap between all levels, and a lengthy regress of talent. If we want, we can expand our circle from MLB starters to all MLB contributors, to AAA, AA, A, rookie ball and Carlos Gonzalez will go from a 50% percentile talent all the way to a 99.99th percentile talent. Your low PA cutoff was just making the circle too big. And your high PA cutoff was making it too small (teams use platoons, players get hurt - all "qualified" players taken together do not give us enough innings to play a full MLB season, not even close!) As for your last question, 162 games or 650 PA I believe, although I'm not 100%. See Jonathan Schoop last year for a close to ideal real world illustration. Go to the "Value" tab of his Fangraphs page. It's good that you're questioning things and thinking about things critically.

Make me a huge gross offer. Do it.

bribe you with a donair

I'd have to organize a Women's March on the East Coast