I just feel like I don't NEED many things so it's hard to find trades that really improve my team
I think a lot of the teams in the playoffs feel similar
Like, a lot of the bottom feeder teams have very little to offer
The 2005 and 2006 Blue Jays has some real *******s.
Rios, Hillenbrand, Zaun, to some extent Towers, Lilly, Burnett, and Halladay. I'm sure more.
salty f***ing team
This "they've been here for 7 years" meme that popped up on the board is annoying.
When Shapiro took over the team was in a very awkward place as far as long term success goes. They took one crack at it and it didn't work so they rebuilt for a couple of years.
Then Covid hit and the team has been generally good and a winning team the whole time. The division has been it's usual competitive nightmare though
The trajectory is fine.
Don't overreact in the darkest moments. This could be the nadir of public opinion on the front office. For all we know next week they will bring in two good relievers and everything will be peachy.
And Montoyo has been pretty good this year let's be honest.
The real answer is - money and an overflowing farm system.
They sign/extend guys like Britton and Chapman
They traded two 40+ FV position prospects for Clay Holmes which could have been a disaster but obviously looks great right now. Most teams don't have the farm system to do trades like that though.
They traded Garrett Cooper + Caleb Smith for Michael King which doesn't look like a great trade.
Here are some more realistic trades:
Biggio for Urquidy
Gurriel for Urquidy
Odorizzi and cash for worthless prospect
Moreno for Luis Garcia or Cristian Javier
Jansen for Hunter Brown and a decent second prospect
Hatch, Kay, and Thornton are all arms that other teams probably thought of as rather fungible when trading them to Toronto.
Obviously Toronto liked certain elements of all of them and thought they could develop into productive MLB arms and it hasn't really worked out but yeah.... go back a few years and project any of them and you probably would not project or expect any of the three to be much more than they are right now, which is replacement level depth.
devil's advocate here
Toronto might not be chugging on all cylinders when it comes to retaining the right arms or getting the most out of them
IIRC Tepera and Loup both saw performance or peripheral improvements after leaving
They sold Dominic Leone and he is good I think
Jason Adam always had great stuff, they let him get away
Bryan Baker was a Toronto farm hand who only got a cup of coffee here now he has more fWAR for Baltimore than any Jays reliever has right now
Joel Payamps would look better on this roster right now than half of the current relievers
what the f*** is going on with Pearson and Merryweather
what the f*** is going on with Romano's command
why could they never make Borucki an even remotely useful RP?
why are the depth long men / SP / RP options in AAAA like Hatch and Kay and Francis just crumbling into a nothing soup of uselessness?
I am fully aware that you could do a list like this for most organizations, even the good ones
I still think COVID and the regulation differences between Canada and the USA have f***ed over Toronto in this regard.
If you are a depth SP or a reliever who may not get a guaranteed MLB deal... why would you want to sign with Toronto and have to worry about cross border stuff all season long? Your antivax wife can never come be with you in the City, blah blah blah.
Even if it's not a huge concern in fact, most players probably see it as a big deterrent.
I think it's true. Cimber actually gets more whiffs than guys like Mayza and Phelps doesn't he?
You could express this a different way. Toronto's pen lacks "stuff".
The only guys with elite stuff are Romano and the enigmatic Merryweather.
Yeah I honestly don't know what happened here.
I must have had a toggle wrong but I can't even reproduce it.
Or Fangraphs literally just updated and Casey Lawrence lost like 0.6 fWAR or something
edit - oh it flipped back to "All" for me and not just relievers
ignore everything I said and ever will say
FIP is essentially fWAR
whiff rate is great but at some sample size K% or K-BB% takes over in importance
Tiny sample (one game or less than a game) = pitch shape and velo and spin
Small sample (one game or a few games) = plate disc. stats like whiff rate and zone rate
Medium sample (weeks / a few months of games) = ERA estimators including the simple K-BB% differential
Medium big sample (a season) = other ERA estimators
Large sample (many seasons) = ERA
Wellllllllll part of it is that the division is stacked.
By fWAR Toronto has the 7th best bullpen in the AL. The only non AL East teams with superior pens by fWAR are Detroit (by half a win) and Houston.
lmao
Yes, by ERA they rank worse but that's not a park adjusted, or luck adjusted, or strength-of-schedule adjusted stat so no sense looking at it
By K-BB% Toronto's pen is the 5th best in the AL, including better than BOS and BAL
Complaints about the bullpen are mildly overblown.
It's not elite but it's not actually a complete disaster.