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I was kidding. But he would look good, but way too much money.

I heard that Aaron Hill is available!!!!!!

Kennedy said , you start your ask "high" and maybe settle for something between the two. But the point was that they both thought trading Reyes would help the Jays more than Bautista.

Just reporting.

They both talked about it being an overpayment. But also said that they have always coveted him, and that he would fit so well with the team. They realize his injury history, but thought last year was a fluke and that if healthy, was one of the top three SS in the majors. Said SS is in such short supply this year and that the cards really need an up grade.

Interesting debate on XML today about Bautista. Kennedy and ? (Sorry). Their take was that Toronto should be looking to trade Reyes to Cards. Said Cards would give up just about anything to get him and they both felt Reyes would put the Cards into WS. Jays could expect to get. Two starters for him. Debate was really about who they should try and get. One of them thought they could get Tavares and Shellby Miller. The other would ask for Tavares, Miller and Carlos Martinez. But would not do any deal without Martinez. Reyes just might be more valuable than JB.

You can't tell me that Rogers didn't look at the increase in TV ratings, attendance etc. last year, and see what just having a hope of winning does for the bottom line. They are not stupid.

McCown said yesterday on PTS, that he has been told that the Jays payroll for this year will be $150 million. FWIW

Talked about Ruiz on Xm. Said that his agent thinks he will get a three year contract, and said that Colorado was going hard after him. Didn't really talk about $, except some guesses.

Lol.

never gave it a thought. :-)

Won't that be every one from Kansas City now?

Anyone keep reading to the bottom to the note about first base coach for the Jays - Trey Hillman. Possibly

And he twists his ankle and is out until May.

Not disagreeing, but didn't they do the same with Halladay

What is funny, is that XM is now using it as a headline. "Bautista says that Farrell didn't win the WS". Not quite what he said, but you can see how they have twisted it.

Says he got the word today that he can start full body workouts. He is feeling great. Was asked about the disappointing season, and if it was the pitchers fault. And he said that he doesn't believe in blaming one person or group. He said, that everyone on the team had down years. Was asked about playing third, and he said that he has told the Jays that he thinks he is more valuable in RF, but if that is where they want him to play, he will. But he didn't think so. Then they asked him about Farrell and what kind of manager he was, since he took the Sox from last to first. I think it was Bowden that asked him if he had phoned Farrell to congratulate him. Dead silence and then Bautista said, no I didn't phone him. If I see him, I will congratulate him, but that is all. Then he said that managers don't win, the players do, and managers can lose you a couple of games, but it is the players not anyone else that decides the outcome of the game. Rather chilly moments there. Said that the players liked Gibbons and thought he had done a really good job, considering all that he had to deal with last year. Asked him about the loss of Reyes, and he said, he thought that was the biggest loss they had last year. Said that AA has assured him that they are going to do everything they can to add to this team, and that everyone from Rogers on down, wants to win.

At the break there was talk of Bautista for Profar+. But can't remember who was talking about it, but he said that it was a rumour that he believed, but couldn't track it down. Obviously, just talk. But it was out there.

The Jays gave away Michael Young and Jeff Kent too. No embarrassment there.

Ferrin and Duquette talked of the Jays chances of going from last to 1st next year. Slim Said if they didn't get some pitching, could easily see them in last again. :-( Said that AA would deny it, but Ferrin said that he definitely had heard from other sources, that Bautista would be available for the right pcs. Pittsburgh or St. Louis would have the best players to offer. Talked a lot about Encarnacion, and said that the rest of the league didn't really appreciate how good he has been. Josh Johnson was the biggest disappointment to the club. They were shocked at how poorly he pitched. Said that the Jays would be in on Santana and Garza, but not Tanaka. Kept promoting JPA was going to be on air to talk about Jays, and he cancelled at the last minute, supposedly because he was packing to go to Europe. Strange. FWIW.

A.J. Mass, whoever he is.

From ESPN insider this morning: Second base was a bit of an offensive black hole for the Toronto Blue Jays this past season. A six-headed combination of Mark DeRosa, Emilio Bonifacio, Munenori Kawasaki, Ryan Goins, Maicer Izturis and Brett Lawrie put together an anemic 2013 stat line -- a .216 batting average, a .297 slugging percentage, 47 RBIs and only eight stolen bases. Clearly, it's a position the team is hoping to upgrade. One player whose name has already entered the conversation is Chicago White Sox second baseman Gordon Beckham. According to Scott Merkin of MLB.com, the Blue Jays explored a possible trade for Beckham last off-season and are still interested in making a deal. The arbitration eligible Beckham won't be a free agent until 2016, which means that in order to acquire him, Toronto might have to give up a couple of prospects such as pitchers Aaron Sanchez, Marcus Stroman, John Stilson and Roberto Osuna, and/or catcher AJ Jimenez, in order to seal the deal. However, the White Sox would probably have to feel confident that Marcus Semien, who hit .261 in 69 September at-bats with the team, would be ready to step in at the position going forward in order to pull the trigger.

The only good thing is that finally this nightmare season will be over. Hopefully, everyone can move on from how wonderful that saviour Farrell was.

Didn't know whether this should have been under the prospects thread or not. But here it is. Top 30 prospects for 2014 draft October, 24, 2013 Oct 24 10:00 AM ET By Keith Law & Christopher Crawford | ESPN.com Recommend36 Tweet8 Comments0 Email Print Carlos RodonJeremy Brevard/USA TODAY SportsN.C. State's Carlos Rodon is the clear-cut No. 1 draft prospect as of now. The summer showcase season is over and other than a few major fall high school events and some college fall ball, most of the year's amateur baseball activity is behind us. It's a solid class for pitchers who throw hard, with a lot of exciting high school arms and a handful of quality college starters, but is light on position players, especially at catcher and shortstop. Here's our first ranking of the players for next year's draft, focused just on player quality with no consideration of where they might be drafted. 1. Carlos Rodon, LHP | N.C. State Owner of perhaps the best amateur's slider in recent memory, Rodon is a power lefty with present stuff and a strong track record of missing bats (184 strikeouts in 132 innings last spring). He brings ace potential to a draft that lacks much of that kind of impact. 2. Jeff Hoffman, RHP | East Carolina He popped for scouts in the Cape Cod League this summer, moving up boards with a very sudden velocity spike that jumped him ahead of almost all other college arms, but he has never shown the kind of dominant performance that Rodon has, and has to show he can hold this stuff for a full season. 3. Alex Jackson, C | Rancho Bernardo HS (San Diego) He’s more likely to end up in right field than behind the plate, but Jackson has elite bat speed and above-average power potential to all fields. 4. Jacob Gatewood, SS | Clovis (Calif.) HS Boasting enormous raw power, Gatewood has one of the highest upsides among prep hitters this year, but has to show he's got the hit tool to make the power play and will likely end up at third base in pro ball. 5. Braxton Davidson, OF | T.C. Roberson HS (Asheville, N.C.) Davidson may have the most offensive upside of any hitter in the class, thanks to a plus hit tool and the ability to drive the ball to all parts of the ballpark. 6. Grant Holmes, RHP | Conway (S.C.) HS Few pitchers were as impressive as Holmes was this summer, showing off a mid-90s fastball that is complemented with a plus breaking ball and an average change. 7. Brady Aiken, LHP | Cathedral Catholic HS (San Diego) Aiken is the top prep lefty in the class, sitting in the low 90s with an average-to-plus curveball, very good deception from his delivery, and little effort to get to that velocity. 8. Tyler Kolek, RHP | Shepherd (Texas) HS Kolek doesn’t offer much in terms of projection and some scouts worry about his already massive 6-foot-5, 250-pound frame, but a fastball that will touch triple-digits and a curve that will flash plus also has some scouts salivating. 9. Justus Sheffield, LHP | Tullahoma (Tenn.) HS The younger brother of Vanderbilt freshman and former Red Sox draft pick Jordan Sheffield, Justus is a good athlete who brings low-90s velocity from a strong 6-foot frame and flashes three off-speed pitches with promise. 10. Sean Newcomb, RHP | Hartford A fastball that will touch 97 mph along with a plus slider and average change could see Newcomb shoot up draft boards, though he will face inferior competition all spring, which will make it hard for scouts to get a great read on him. 11. Max Pentecost, C | Kennesaw State It’s a weak catching crop this year, but with above-average power and improving receiving skills Pentecost is not just a "best of a bad group" option. 12. Nick Gordon, SS/RHP | Olympia HS (Orlando) Son of Tom Gordon and half-brother of current Dodger infielder Dee, Nick is a two-way prospect who plays a solid shortstop with good bat speed but little power, and also can sit in the low 90s as a potential power relief prospect who probably lacks the height to stay a starter in pro ball. 13. Alex Verdugo, OF/LHP | Sahuaro HS (Tucson, Ariz.) Another two-way prospect, Verdugo has outstanding feel for hitting with a quick, direct left-handed stroke and above-average running speed, but is also up to 92 already off the mound from the left side and could go either way at this point. 14. Derek Fisher, OF | Virginia Fisher possesses above-average to plus offensive tools across the board, though consistency has been an issue over his first two years in Charlottesville. [+] EnlargeTyler Beede AP Photo/Mark HumphreyBeede is likely to be a rare two-time first-round pick. 15. Trea Turner, SS | N.C. State Turner has elite speed and should be able to stick at shortstop, but there might not be much offensive upside. 16. Erick Fedde, RHP | UNLV Fedde was up to 95 this summer with Team USA and showed good tilt on a low-80s slider, but needs to fill out his 6-foot-4, 165-pound frame and tighten up his changeup to help him miss more bats. 17. Brad Zimmer, OF | San Francisco The brother of Royals 2012 first-round pick Kyle; Zimmer is a good enough athlete to play center field and has some power projection in his left-handed bat. 18. Tyler Beede, RHP | Vanderbilt Beede was a first-round pick out of high school but didn't sign with the Blue Jays after a disagreement over a medical question; he has since picked up several mph on his fastball but lost a grade or more of control in the process. 19. Jeren Kendall, OF | Holmen (Wis.) HS The breakout star of this year's New Balance Area Code Games, Kendall is a four-tool player, lacking only power at this point, with good feel for hitting for a kid from a cold-weather state. 20. Luis Ortiz, RHP | Sanger HS (Fresno, Calif.) Ortiz has a very quick arm with an easy low-90s fastball and some feel for a low-80s slider, coming from a three-quarters arm slot, with a projectable 6-foot-3 frame. 21. Brandon Finnegan, LHP | TCU Left-handers who will touch 98 mph with feel for pitching generally don’t last long on draft day, but Finnegan’s diminutive size and somewhat violent delivery raise some red flags. 22. Dylan Cease, RHP | Milton (Ga.) HS Cease has top-10 velocity, with a fastball in the mid-90s, but his secondary stuff isn't there yet and there's some violence in his delivery as well. 23. Mac Marshall, LHP | Parkview HS (Lilburn, Ga.) Parkview HS, outside of Atlanta, has produced first-day picks in each of the past two years, and Marshall has a chance to be the third with a low 90s fastball along with a curveball and change that will both flash plus. 24. Michael Cederoth, RHP | San Diego State Cederoth may be the hardest thrower in the class -- it's either Cederoth or Louisville closer Nick Burdi -- but awkard mechanics and average-at-best secondary pitchers have most believing he’s a high-leverage reliever in the end. 25. Aaron Nola, RHP | LSU Nola pounds the strike zone with a low-90s fastball and comes from a low three-quarters slot (nearly sidearm) that makes it tough for right-handers to see the ball, although only a few MLB starters work from a slot that low. 26. Scott Blewett, RHP | Baker HS (Baldwinsville, N.Y.) The northeast's best high school prospect has a solid-average fastball and good spin on a two-plane curveball, needing to smooth out his arm stroke for better command and future health. 27. Touki Toussaint, RHP | Coral Springs (Fla.) Christian Academy There’s no denying Toussaint’s talent -- a fastball that can get up to 95 and a hammer of a curveball -- but there’s also no denying that too often he has no idea where those pitches are going. 28. Jakson Reetz, C | Norris HS (Hickman, Neb.) The best prep catcher in a weak overall catching class, Reetz has strong hands and good coverage on the outer half with average throwing times to second and good athleticism behind the plate. 29. Michael Gettys, CF/RHP | Gainesville (Ga.) HS No prospect improved his stock more than Gettys over the summer, though his 70-grade speed and plus raw power are useless if he can’t hit, which is still up for debate. 30. Ti’Quan Forbes, SS | Columbia (Miss.) HS Forbes is one of the youngest prospects in the class and looks like he’ll be able to stick at shortstop with average offensive projection.

I have heard this "outside of Toronto the view is he was mistreated" before. Where does this come from? I have never read this anywhere, other than on this board. Was there something I missed, or is this just supposition.