Dr. Dinger
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He hasn't even demonstrated playoff upside, he's all projection at this point.
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It's not conjecture at all. Corey just had a major league sample that illustrates a much higher ceiling than anything Kyle has ever done. No one is claiming it's sustainable, but even with significant regression baked in, there's an elite ceiling here and it's now demonstrable.
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To be clear, I think Corey is about a 130 wRC+ bat through the prime of his career, with some spikes 140-145 range and a dud or two around 105-110. He'll probably only be slightly above average this year, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he's just really good right off the bat.
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Hanley has 4 .900 OPS seasons on his resume, is he a Hall of Famer? Tulo has 5. I said there's a strong chance Seager can have multiple, ie 2 or more. I also said that's a peak and not an average. Not sure why that is so inconceivable to you. If you want to get really technical, Corey has already had a .900 OPS season.
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Cybot is just a Kyle Seager owner who wants to slobber on his underappreciated knob a bit, I get it. This will be hilarious to look back on in about 15 months though when Corey Seager is a megastar and Kyle is still putting along with his annual .330/.450.
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So you're already capping him at a .350 OBP? Makes sense considering he just had 12.4% BB rate as a 21 year old rookie. No, more like .375/.525, and again, I said several -- ie peak -- seasons. I didn't say he's going to carry a line like that every season.
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He's been lashing out a lot since you left, he needs a father figure in his life goddammit!
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You are allowed to have opinions. What's really annoying is when you piggyback on other people's opinions and then declare them fact with absolutely no supporting evidence. Glad you're shutting up now.
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I'll add reading comprehension to your list of disabilities.
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You don't need to take any s*** off somebody whose career DDL W% is 100 points lower than your own.
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Facts according to Boxy: - moving away from Safeco will increase your wRC+ (supported at length with mathematical findings) - Kyle Seager will absolutely be a better hitter than his younger brother (traveled to future and back just to make sure)
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Sorry, which part of the future did you want me to unveil for you? It's hard to keep track with your awful quoting disability.
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I agree with the bolded part, if by "now" you mean 2016 only. I don't agree that he'll be a better asset by the time Corey moves off SS, since Kyle will be in decline by then. I also maintain that Corey will be the better hitter regardless of position.
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I wouldn't go that far, but it was a very silly example. I mean Smoak had a 112 wRC+ in 2013 playing in Seattle. The fact that he had a s***** year in 2014 and then rebounded to about career norms in Toronto doesn't prove anything about Safeco. Also, Nelson Cruz.
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I also don't agree that Kyle Seager is, quote, "young."
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Huh? The only thing we've disagreed on is the term "monster" and which Seager has a higher ceiling. I don't agree with Cyborg that Kyle Seager moving away from Safeco would significantly raise his wRC+, that's the whole point of the metric. In any case, he won't be moving soon, and I do not concur that his current level of fantasy production constitutes a monster.
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He'll have at least 2 full years there, IMO. After that is anyone's guess, but I think he'll hold SS eligibility for a year or two even after transitioning. Even at 3B, he's a stud. Strong chance to put up multiple .900+ OPS seasons in his career (probably not before age 25 tho). Just a very special bat.
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Smoak is a terrible example. Those were just the low and high ends of his normal career variance and they also come with platoon sample sizes. He's a career 96 wRC+, right in the middle of those two bookends.
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Neither. Corey will be a true monster.
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Huh? Isn't that baked in? wRC+ is park adjusted, that's why I didn't start with wOBA (which is again mediocre). And Safeco is part of the package with Kyle, he's signed long-term.
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Every prospect site ranked him as the top prospect, if I'm not mistaken.
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Sorry, a career 115 wRC+ does not qualify him as a monster in any way, shape, or form. He is consistently useful and above average, but Corey has a much higher ceiling.
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Disagree.
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Wilmer Flores
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Anybody PM jaysblue?
