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Check this out http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1109&position=OF&page=8&players=1014040
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Fair enough. However, do you agree given the numbers it cannot be concluded Bonds is the best ever?
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Whatever. I'm hear to discuss baseball.
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Agreed. And no one came close to Williams either. Actually, look at career offensive stats, Williams > Bonds in most categories. Defensively a whole different story. Then you have Willie Mays, who excelled in every aspect of the game. There is no way to draw conclusion on who was the best. But Bonds, Mays, Williams, Ruth have to be in any top 5.
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Bonds for his career had a .444 OBP, Williams is 0.482 despite missing 3 of his prime years to WWII.
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Ted Williams, not on PEDS, .553 OBP in 1941.
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What an infantile post
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Sure.
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True, but its not my game. Boxy is the one with absolute statement that Bonds is the greatest.
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That's certainly fair. Offset somewhat by the larger number of teams today, diluting the talent pool. You made an absolute statement Bonds is the greatest baseball player. I am saying you can't make the statement. Mays, Williams (missed 3 years for WWII, sandwiched 10 WAR seasons before and after the war service), and others all have a good case. Williams is an interesting one, 130 WAR over his career and would have added ~30 WAR during those war years, bringing him right up with Bonds.
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Not everyone was juicing when Bonds was. IMO, Bonds' juicing (and a lot of it apparently) means there is no way to compare him to others. We can certainly have a debate using players that have not admitted or not been caught juicing. Statistically, Bonds would be treated as contaminated data and thrown out.
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Doesn't the historical WAR calculation take the level of competition into account and demonstrate rather conclusively Ruth was far better than his peers than Bonds was of his? You can't have a greatest player debate and throw out whole generations of players based on 'level of competition'.
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How old are you?
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Spitballing a bit here Mets are relatively weak up the middle. Tulo for Zack Wheeler, who hangs up first?
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That's up for debate. Babe Ruth has more career WAR in 400 less games and likely exceeds his peers by a larger amount than Bonds did his. In roughly the same number of games, Willie Mays amassed 14.5 less WAR than Bonds. Would a steroid taking Mays make that up? Quite possibly. Frankly, taking steroids has taken Bonds out of the discussion on greatest player.
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Looking for commonality. You know, there's a saying 'don't judge a book by its cover'
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How did Bonds defeat the aging curve?
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Are there other players in baseball that annoy you?
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What has he done that makes you not like him? The hair?
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I'm in
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wasn't long ago many here wanted Lawrie signed long term, and claiming Lawrie > Machado things change fast in baseball
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Thor then
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Tulo -
Thole yes, Saunders not sure. If he is reasonably healthy, would not want to take the chance of losing him.
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Some posts about the BJ org liking Happ, and I suspect the feeling is mutual. Quite possible he turned down better deal elsewhere to come here.
