2018 Season Tickets

[ChrisS]

Where are all these people that are making profit from scalping Jays tickets? I look at prices on kijiji and I know how much I end up with after my tickets sell on stubhub. The fact is that only a small % of STH have the seats necessary to turn a profit this year and that assumes they are able to sell ALL their tickets. Miss games here and there and that destroys your profit.

With the increase in prices over the past few years combined with the massive amount of tickets available on the secondary market and the fees that sellers must pay out, I highly doubt the average joe is making bank scalping large numbers of jays tickets. In fact Im sure there are a few people who lost their shirts this year.

[baseballsss]

Could the jump in price be because of renovations...espicially the grass? just throwin this out there I have no clue.

[burlingtonbandit]

As a business you always want to increase your prices year over year to created an expectation that the prices will increase because of factors like inflation building costs etc..

 

Unless they slash payroll they aren't going to keep prices the same. Paul Beeston was a pretty bad businessman lol.

[jglicksm]

Re the neighbour effect

 

How much of that has to do with the Jays now having an official partnership with StubHub?

 

I don't think the impact was that big. There are a lot of brokers out there who post on multiple services. Stubhub is the go to site for most people anyway (it is the biggest company and has a massive market share- I've read 50% or more). From before to after the partnership there wasn't a huge difference in number of tickets posted per game from what I remember.

 

I think this is a supply issue on the secondary market rather than a demand issue. Obviously attendance is announced based on ticket sales, not butts in seats, but it is clear people are still showing up in droves. Demand is there, just not at the big prices and people are desperate to get out what they can (even if just 6 bucks on a 20 or more dollar ticket). Motivated sellers (be it real brokers or the everyday brokers ticket sites have created) are driving the price drop.

 

What shocks me is that the Jays now have sales data from StubHub. It is clear that the supply demand curve there favours lower rather than higher prices, but they are still bullish. I think this will backfire but only time will tell.

[jglicksm]

Will be interesting if the Blue Jays cut off brokers this offseason.

 

I haven't received my renewal notice yet but a friend forwarded me his. It leads me to believe they are not completely pushing brokers away yet. The resale policy used to say that you had to follow the laws but otherwise resale wasn't restricted. Now they have addressed resale explicitly in the marketing literature that accompanied the emails:

 

"The Season Ticket Member benefits described on this page are not available to commercial resellers."

 

"The early bird season ticket price is not available to commercial resellers regardless of whether the renewal occurs during the Early Bird renewal window"

 

It looks like they are OK with brokers for now (that could change), but if you are holding season tickets for the business of it then you'll have to pay more (seems reasonable actually). What will be interesting is how they determine who a "commercial reseller" is. Around the league teams take different approaches to this ranging from not caring to determining it by percentage of tickets resold to people that aren't season ticket partners (seems hard to enforce). I read that the Boston Bruins started doing it by zip code... eg if your tickets are registered in LA and you have a lot of them then you are probably a broker.

[burlingtonbandit]

I haven't received my renewal notice yet but a friend forwarded me his. It leads me to believe they are not completely pushing brokers away yet. The resale policy used to say that you had to follow the laws but otherwise resale wasn't restricted. Now they have addressed resale explicitly in the marketing literature that accompanied the emails:

 

"The Season Ticket Member benefits described on this page are not available to commercial resellers."

 

"The early bird season ticket price is not available to commercial resellers regardless of whether the renewal occurs during the Early Bird renewal window"

 

It looks like they are OK with brokers for now (that could change), but if you are holding season tickets for the business of it then you'll have to pay more (seems reasonable actually). What will be interesting is how they determine who a "commercial reseller" is. Around the league teams take different approaches to this ranging from not caring to determining it by percentage of tickets resold to people that aren't season ticket partners (seems hard to enforce). I read that the Boston Bruins started doing it by zip code... eg if your tickets are registered in LA and you have a lot of them then you are probably a broker.

 

Hmm that is interesting. Yeah the area code is probably the way they do it. Makes sense if you sell all these Americans with tickets. I don't think they would categorize the local sellers and Kijiji people as commercial resale.

[CrackerJack]

so did all you STHs on here renew before the deadline yesterday for the early bird price?

 

I waited for the last day to "send a message" (haha) since i'm not looking to upgrade my seats.

[SweetSmellingChacin]

2018 pricing structure

 

http://i.imgur.com/1ljGqsH.png

[Jay Train]

When do the season tickets go on sale for everyone?

[burlingtonbandit]

Anyone have 48K and want to get in the action seats?

[jaysblue]

Anyone have 48K and want to get in the action seats?

 

Haha 48K each seat or is that a pair?

[burlingtonbandit]

Haha 48K each seat or is that a pair?

 

thats a pair according to the sheet.

[jglicksm]

When do the season tickets go on sale for everyone?

 

Monday I believe. Are you looking to get seasons next year?!?

[jglicksm]

I don't think 1/3 of the STH go away in one offseason because of prices being raised 7-12%. People will want to hold on to their tickets because once the Jays become good again its going to be the hottest ticket in town once again.

 

I heard the estimate last week was 1/3 non-renewal. Probably can't attribute the price increase to all of those non-renewals, but it sure wouldn't have helped.

[CrackerJack]

I heard the estimate last week was 1/3 non-renewal. Probably can't attribute the price increase to all of those non-renewals, but it sure wouldn't have helped.

 

Wow, 1/3 non-renewal (if accurate) is huge. Must've been quite the tough season for sellers on StubHub.

[Jay Train]

Monday I believe. Are you looking to get seasons next year?!?

 

I was thinking about it. Depending on what kind of seats I can get.

[jglicksm]

I was thinking about it. Depending on what kind of seats I can get.

 

Before you jump, especially if you're thinking 500-level, DM me... I may have a spot in my group for next year (which isn't shocking given how 2017 went). My seats are 524 row 1 (1st row of 500's right behind home plate).

[ChrisS]

Wow, 1/3 non-renewal (if accurate) is huge. Must've been quite the tough season for sellers on StubHub.

 

Tough is an understatement. I sold 15 games on stubhub for a total of about $330. Thats $11 per ticket.

I made ~$800 selling 20 games on kijiji and facebook. About 30 games went unused and I gave the rest away for free.

My seats are between home and first in the 500 level, row 7, so they are pretty good (for 500lvl)

So basically I lost about $1800 and the time I put in.

[jglicksm]

Tough is an understatement. I sold 15 games on stubhub for a total of about $330. Thats $11 per ticket.

I made ~$800 selling 20 games on kijiji and facebook. About 30 games went unused and I gave the rest away for free.

My seats are between home and first in the 500 level, row 7, so they are pretty good (for 500lvl)

So basically I lost about $1800 and the time I put in.

 

That blows. I have a good group and my seats are row 1. One or maybe two games from my set went unused. Most games went to group members, but those that didn't never sold below cost on stubhub... a few rows (and specifically being in row 1) makes a big difference. I didn't really "make a lot of money" but I did watch a lot of "free" baseball...and got on the field via the MyBlueJays program which got my brother-in-law and I an Aaron Judge autograph/ photo with him along with some other guys from the Yankees. That being said I'm much happier with my tickets in Boston (in particular the season ticket "experience"-- the perks are way better and generally available to everyone, not just by raffle e.g. taking batting practice on the field this season).

[jaysblue]

Tough is an understatement. I sold 15 games on stubhub for a total of about $330. Thats $11 per ticket.

I made ~$800 selling 20 games on kijiji and facebook. About 30 games went unused and I gave the rest away for free.

My seats are between home and first in the 500 level, row 7, so they are pretty good (for 500lvl)

So basically I lost about $1800 and the time I put in.

 

That's why I would never get season seats for the Blue Jays or any baseball team unless it was the Red Sox or Cubs. Too many games to try and sell, which like you said could be stressful and requires you to put a lot of time in. Tough thing about baseball is that you might be required to unload tickets to 6 or 7 straight games all in one week, unlike with basketball or hockey tickets. Only way you can really get season tickets is if you get 3-4 people to in with you, so you get around 20 games each.

 

I'll just select & pay for the games I want to go to, even if it means sometimes spending $10-20 more above the season seat holder rate. Plus, like you said seats on StubHub are going for far below face value, so doesn't even make sense purchasing seats from the box office.

[CrackerJack]

That's why I would never get season seats for the Blue Jays or any baseball team unless it was the Red Sox or Cubs. Too many games to try and sell, which like you said could be stressful and requires you to put a lot of time in. Tough thing about baseball is that you might be required to unload tickets to 6 or 7 straight games all in one week, unlike with basketball or hockey tickets. Only way you can really get season tickets is if you get 3-4 people to in with you, so you get around 20 games each.

 

I'll just select & pay for the games I want to go to, even if it means sometimes spending $10-20 more above the season seat holder rate. Plus, like you said seats on StubHub are going for far below face value, so doesn't even make sense purchasing seats from the box office.

 

The too many games to sell predicament would be mitigated somewhat if Rogers Centre wasn't so cavernous. Tickets in, say, a 35 K Progressive Field in T.O. would be easier to unload. Wonder whether Shapiro's renovation plans will reduce the dome's seating capacity (for baseball) significantly?

[burlingtonbandit]

The too many games to sell predicament would be mitigated somewhat if Rogers Centre wasn't so cavernous. Tickets in, say, a 35 K Progressive Field in T.O. would be easier to unload. Wonder whether Shapiro's renovation plans will reduce the dome's seating capacity (for baseball) significantly?

 

Have to think it would. If they re-do the seats it makes a lot more sense to make the actual seats bigger plus add more aisles so instead of having 22 seats in a row you have 12-14. Plus they could take out a bunch of the 500 Level seats and add a standing room bar up there. You would lose the lowest revenue seats while still being able to sell standing room tickets for the popular games.