Final List: BJMB Top 15 Prospects, as of November 2016

[King]

Thanks to all of our contributors who sent in lists, and to the people who sent in some written reports to add more content to this final list.

 

Cyborg

BurlingtonBandit

King

Spanky

Bobthe4th

Spats

Pendleton

Jays4life19

Jonn

Grant77

Jimcanuck

Nafro

NJH

LetTheBallFly

Todd

Maahfaace

KingKat

Krylian

BBBB

P2F

z3r0s

43211234

SirBJay

imsorry4beatinU

Sorrow

GD

John_Havok

Dr. Dinger

TheHurl

Thanos

JoshBBR (won't be included in the points unless he gets Pompey out of his list fast enough. But he's in the doc)

 

I will be posting the list a few players at a time until we got to #15. Then one at a time all the way to #1. And the 2nd post will be updated here just for an added reference point.

 

Unfortunately, my threads and posts were deleted from years past. So we do not have information on the top prospects from before last December. But here is the board list, done by Grant, from 1 year ago.

 

Dec. 2015 List

1. Anthony Alford

2. Sean Reid-Foley

3. Conner Greene

4. Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

5. Rowdy Tellez

6. Jon Harris

7. Max Pentecost

8. Richard Urena

9. Clinton Hollon

10. Justin Maese

11. Jose Espada

12. Ryan Borucki

13. Danny Jansen

14. Angel Perdomo

15. D.J. Davis

16. Dwight Smith

17. Yorman Rodriguez

18. Juan Meza

19. Guad Chavez

20. Shane Dawson

21. Ryan McBroom

22. Mitch Nay

23. Chad Girodo

24. Norberto Obeso

26. Travis Bergen

27. Roemon Fields

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eC9-YmsG4RXbQcwWCf-8Vv6EopIWHaYKyMm6zjuMYKc/edit#gid=0

 

I will post the #23-21 prospects at 6:00 ET. After all the prospects have been posted I will post a link to the google doc where every list is in one spreadsheet.

[King]

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[z3r0s]

I like the SN top-100 style reveal lol. Get a few, then the commercial break

[TheHurl]

I like the SN top-100 style reveal lol. Get a few, then the commercial break

 

I have 35 minutes to get us a sponsor. I'll see what I can do.

[King]

I like the SN top-100 style reveal lol. Get a few, then the commercial break

 

Learned it from TRM. Hopefully he's doing the Hottest Jays list in december again.

[Jimcanuck]

Learned it from TRM. Hopefully he's doing the Hottest Jays list in december again.

 

BTS will be in on that one

[King]

BTS will be in on that one

 

I have no doubt.

[King]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOvDTCbcHe0

[King]

Drum roll please!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAOGRiYRLI

[King]

Okay no drum roll.

 

#23. Patrick Murphy, RHP, Vancouver Canadians/Lansing Lugnuts (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

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Highest on Patrick Murphy: BigBounceyBlueBalls, #15

 

What The People Are Saying

King: Patrick Murphy was a highly touted pitcher coming out of high school. The Jays drafted him knowing his injury risk, as he had missed his entire senior year of high school baseball due to TJS. He didn't pitch at all in the 2013 season, and made his professional debut in 2014. He didn't last long, as he only pitched 4 innings before being shut down for the season. Murphy has had numerous other surgeries, like Thoracic Outlet Surgery. 2016 marked Murphys first season as a healthy pitcher, and the Jays pushed him along aggressively to Lansing in May. He struggled there, and was sent to Vancouver when the short season started. Murphy had a stellar season in Vancouver where he was named to the NWL allstar game. On the mound, Murphy surprised everyone with his ability to throw strikes. He won't light up the radar gun, just sitting 91-93 with his fastball, but could gain velocity as he keeps regaining his arm strength. His curveball is his best secondary pitch, and he also throws a slider and changeup. It was a very good season for a young pitcher who hadn't thrown many innings since his junior year of high school.

[King]

#22. Mc Gregory Contreras, CF, DSL Blue Jays (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

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http://i.imgur.com/DInT0bQ.png

 

Highest on Mc Gregory Contreras: P2F, #15

 

What The People Are Saying

P2F: Dominated the DSL at Age 17, leading the team in almost every offensive category. He will start 2017 in the GCL. He is a long ways off, but will be exciting to keep an eye on as he matures physically and moves up the organizational ladder.

[King]

#21. Zach Jackson, RHP, Vancouver Canadians (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

http://i.imgur.com/MJPJhha.png

http://i.imgur.com/yo7G9GK.png

 

Highest on Zach Jackson: Todd, #14

 

What The People Are Saying

King: The Blue Jays drafted Zach Jackson in the 3rd round out of the University of Arkansas knowing full his track record as a pitcher. There was talk that he could be sent to Vancouver as a starting pitcher, but he spent the entire year in the bullpen. They could begin the transition as a SP next season, or leave him in the bullpen up the minor league ladder. The report on Jackson is simple. He has electric stuff with a fastball that sits in the mid to upper 90s and a plus slider. The problem with Jackson has been his command. The Blue Jays will continue to work with Jackson and tweak his delivery in hopes of one day having a relief pitcher that can pitch in high leverage MLB innings.

[Jimcanuck]

this is awesome.... way better than anything from BA

[King]

#20. Clinton Hollon, RHP, Did not play (Dec. 2015 rank: 9)

 

http://i.imgur.com/Xa7x1V3.png

http://i.imgur.com/KFArPQF.png

 

Highest on Clinton Hollon: Spanky, #13

 

What The People Are Saying

 

King: Due to TJS and 2 drug suspensions, Hollon has barely pitched at all in his professional baseball career. His 2nd suspension ended in August of sometime this year however he did not pitch during the rest of the season. He was included in the instructs roster so that may signal his baseball career isn't over..

[King]

#19. J.B. Woodman, CF, Vancouver Canadians (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

http://www.milb.com/images/642223/t435/180x270/642223.jpg

 

http://i.imgur.com/ozLlhwB.png

 

Highest on J.B. Woodman: Todd (#13), Krylian, GD, Jimcanuck (#14)

 

What The People Are Saying

Krylian: Power bat. Lots of swing and miss.

 

King: I saw a lot of Woodman for the Vancouver Canadians this past summer. My biggest concern would be the amount of swing and miss he has in his bat. He's really going to have to harness the strikeouts as he moves up the minor leagues, as that will ultimately be his downfall. Big time power potential and a decent runner for a big guy, but his future will likely be in the corner OF.

[TheHurl]

Spanky backing the cripple on drugs...hmmm.

[King]

#18. Ryan Borucki, LHP, Dunedin Blue Jays/Lansing Lugnuts (Dec. 2015 rank: #12)

 

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Highest on Ryan Borucki: BBBB (#10), TheHurl (#11), z3r0s (#15)

 

What The People Are Saying

z3r0s: Borucki had a rough start to 2016 with an ill-fated promotion to Dunedin coming off an injury plagued 2015. He got back on track with Lansing. Borucki recaptured his trademark command while logging a respectable amount of innings considering the organization was monitoring his pitches fairly closely by seasons end. The numbers, however solid, don't jump off the page, but I like what I hear in reports I read. Fastball seems to be rounding back to a low-mid 90's range. He seems to have solid command of all his pitches with a real strike-throwing mindset. I also hear good things about his deception. 2017 will be a huge year for Borucki as he will have to stay healthy and maintain effectiveness as he is exposed to a higher level of completion.

 

TheHurl: This is my pure no upside pick. Great control with an amazing changeup is the profile everyone misses. #5 guy that will probably be well timed for the Jays needs.

 

Grant77: I didn't rank Borucki, but he's put himself back on the radar with a good 2016 season. The Jays were hyper aggressive to start 2016 and basically skipped him from R ball to Dunedin, which turned out to be a mistake. He was throwing high 80's with poor command. After returning to Lansing , he regained his velocity and also showed a changeup. If he can show he's finally healthy and can pitch well in Dunedin then he may be back on track to being a big league starter, but those are big ifs.

[Angrioter]

This is damn good. Thanks King

[King]

#17. Joshua Palacios, CF, Vancouver Canadians (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

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Highest on Josh Palacios: KingKat, #10

 

What The People Are Saying

LetTheBallFly: All the tools in the OF.

 

Jimcanuck: sleeper pick, surprising numbers in 1st pro season

 

SirBJay: Does what you want a college draftee to do, hit all the way up to full season ball, with reports of plus plate discipline, and good speed to boot, but the baserunning is kinda shite. No power, but I like the 11% K rate. Could move pretty quickly as a safe pick to make the majors.

 

43211234: Drafted in 2016, Josh Palacios had a very good pro debut. Splitting time between the GCL, Vancouver and Lansing, Palacios hit for a high average with promising K and BB rates, though he showed almost no power in-game. Scouts think he has a chance to stick in CF.

 

KingKat: At first I was going to be sensible and leave him out of my top 10 but then I thought what fun is that? The scouting reports aren’t amazing but then you wouldn’t really expect them to be for a 4th rounder. I’ll just place a bet that his strong debut is indicative of something the reports missed.

 

King: I had him ranked at #15 for a while. The hit tool is advanced and his pro debut was impressive.. also, he looks like a young Dalton Pompey in that picture.

[King]

#16. Francisco Rios, RHP, Lansing Lugnuts/Dunedin Blue Jays (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

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Highest on Francisco Rios: John_Havok (#8), GD (#9), Todd (#10)

 

What The People Are Saying

Bobthe4th: lottery ticket but has more upside than some other prospects, very low BB/9 rate

 

Nafro: May possibly be the best pitcher on this list, when its all said and done.

 

NJH: We got a good look at Rios in the Futures Game this year. From a compact frame and a repeatable, simple delivery, he displayed a fastball that was 94/95 (in one inning of work) and a promising breaking ball. I saw some components that bode will for his future control, command, and pitchability. His numbers this year were extremely good, particularly in Lansing. Not a lot of upside here but I think he could be a big league reliever, and a back end starter if he has a third pitch in the bag or if he can find one.

 

TheHurl: Fast track to the bullpen or trade him.

[King]

#15. Max Pentecost, C/DH, Lansing Lugnuts/Dunedin Blue Jays (Dec. 2015 Rank: #7)

 

http://www.milb.com/images/596069/t435/180x270/596069.jpg

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Highest on Max Pentecost: SirBJay, Jimcanuck (#11)

 

What The People Are Saying

Bobthe4th: Injuries mean he may not be a catcher any more, he was exclusively a DH in 2016

 

Spats: I ranked Pentecost fairly high but he is such a nice kid with a beautiful swing...just hope he can stay healthy.

 

Grant77: Pentecost gets one more shot at the bottom of my list because of the excellent power that he showed in his two stops this year. That gives me hope that should returning to catcher not work out, he may have a future as a corner outfielder. I'm skeptical that he'll be a long term catcher with the shoulder injuries, but it looks like we'll try it.

 

Jimcanuck: unlikely to be a catcher, athleticism and bat could allow switch to corner OF

 

SirBJay: Depsite injuries he's hit everywhere he goes with decent ISO numbers. But those injuries hnnngggghhh

 

P2F: Very much a wildcard at this point. Will be given the chance to catch next season. If he can show he can physically handle it, he could be something special yet. The bat is advanced, but not elite. Athletic enough to play a corner OF position or 1B if his body can't hold up to the daily grind of catching.

 

Krylian: 2017 is a huge season. Can get get back behind the plate? If so, there is still upside with the bat...and potentially the glove.

 

Maahfaace: Still a solid bat, but hoping he gets back to catching again next year which would vault him back into the top 5, that and him staying healthy of course.

 

43211234: Shoulder health and ultimate position are what's keeping Pentecost outside the top 10. After multiple shoulder surgeries since being drafted in 2014, Pentecost was finally able to play a full, healthy season. Though he did so exclusively as a DH to allow the shoulder to strengthen. If he has the arm strength to stick at catcher he could become a strong major league starter, with average tools across the board. If not, he at least has the athleticism to give other positions a shot, though his bat may not play at a non-premium defensive position.

 

TheHurl: Has lost so much development time. He'll be 24 at season start and he's essentially going to take 2 years to get his catching abilities back. Is the bat good enough elsewhere?

 

KingKat: I had my doubts even before he got injured. I’ll leave the door open but it’s the teeniest, tiniest little crack.

[King]

#14. Angel Perdomo, LHP, Lansing Lugnuts (Dec. 2015 Rank: #14)

 

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Highest on Angel Perdomo: Maahfaace, Todd (#9)

 

What The People Are Saying

Pendleton: A giant lefty who can throws in the mid 90s with deception and a couple potential average breaking pitches? That's always going to command some attention. If he can continue to harness his control while still missing bats, Perdomo has the potential to shoot up this list. If he doesn't end up cutting it as a starter he could be a very intriguing bullpen option in the near future

 

Jimcanuck: My favourite and I am thankful he was too raw to be grabbed in the Rule 5. With so many LHP moved out of system, becomes top LHP prospect.

 

z3r0s: One of the harder names to place on the list, but I ended up with him at 12. After years in rookie ball, Angel didn't disapoint in his first tour in A ball. Command has long been the sticking point for Perdomo, and he managed to improve his BB% significatnly despite facing more advanced compitition. The K's continued to show and the workload was increased in a big way. He'll have to continue to advance next season as he is not really underaged for his level. I can see him either jumping up the rankings for next year, or falling off of top 15's entirely.

 

P2F: A towering lefty with command issues. He locates his fastball well, but the curve and slider lag behind, flashing average potential. He will continue to be developed as a starter next season, but he most likely ends up a reliever. That being said, if he can develop a second pitch, he could be a really good one.

 

Krylian: Good K numbers. Low 90's. Tall, lanky lefty. Will be challenged this season.

 

Maahfaace: Took huge steps this year, missing bats at a nice clip. Still has some command issue's from start to start but I really am excited to see where this big lefty is in 2 years time

 

TheHurl: Lefties can't touch him.

 

Grant77: Perdomo makes the tail end of my list for his great strikeout ability from the left side, but there are a lot of reasons to think he might not stick as a starter. His mechanics are very inconsistent and he can lose the zone for long stretches. The walk rate will only increase against better hitters if he doesn't find some consistency. While scouts still see projection in him, I see a fully grown man and the fact that his velocity wanes late in starts doubly concerning because he throws a ton of pitches. On the plus side, he gets tons of swings and misses with his slider and the changeup is also average. 2017 in Dunedin (I would guess) will be a telling season.

[TheHurl]

#17. Joshua Palacios, CF, Vancouver Canadians (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

King: I had him ranked at #15 for a while. The hit tool is advanced and his pro debut was impressive.. also, he looks like a young Dalton Pompey in that picture.

 

I had him there too. If he didn't come from Auburn (via Brooklyn) I might have kept him there. For sure he's in my 16 to 20 range

[King]

#13. Justin Maese, RHP, Vancouver Canadians/Lansing Lugnuts (Dec. 2015 Rank: 10)

 

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Highest on Justin Maese: King, Jimcanuck (#8)

 

What The People Are Saying

King: Maese is showing the early makings of a future starter in the MLB, in the mold of 50-55% GB, 7-7.5 K/9, 2.5 BB/9 profile. His fastball sits in the 91-93 range and has bowling ball sink which allows him to induce groundballs at an above average rate (67% in Vancouver, 55% in Lansing), and his fastball command is extremely advanced for his age. The key to Maese becoming a middle of the rotation MLB starter is the advancement of his secondary pitches. He currently throws a hard, tight slider around 87 MPH, which would grade out average and a changeup that he didn't throw much in the games I viewed. If he can continue to progress his changeup and slider in order to miss more bats, I have no doubt in my mind Maese will be a future MLB pitcher.

 

Bobthe4th: another player who can improve now he's a one sport player

 

P2F: He is a finesse pitcher with great command of his repertoire, and has been pitching deep into games. Pounds the zone regularly with a great sinking fastball, a changeup that steadily improved over the season, and uses his slider effectively as an out pitch. He may start the season in Dunedin in 2017.

 

Maahfaace: Ground ball machine with fringy secondary stuff, has a chance to be a solid inning eater 4.5 FIP #5 type of pitcher

 

43211234: Justin Maese had several dominant starts during his stint in Vancouver this year. Hitters in the NWL were overmatched by Maese's heavy, heavy fastball. Justin will need to improve his secondaries if he wants to become a #3 or #4 starter. Hopefully Maese will be able to turn his slider into a swing and miss pitch.

 

TheHurl: Young and showing a feel for pitching. I get the feeling I'll be 100% Maesenated by June

 

Grant77: I doubt everyone ranked Maese, but I love guys with high velocity sinkers. He filled out a lot this year during his age 19 season and was able to maintain his mid-90's velocity later into games, which is very encouraging. That's what scouts mean when they say someone is projectable. We saw the same thing with Conner Greene in 2014. Maese attacks hitters from a low 3/4 arm slot, which is likely responsible for his extreme ground ball tendencies. His slider is still too loopy and he doesn't command it well and the changeup is a work in progress to put it nicely. Fortunately, age is on his side and he'll have time to work on those things.

 

KingKat: He’s a pretty interesting 19 year old. It’s pretty much impossible to predict whether he’ll become a casualty of attrition or not. Hopefully we’re still talking about him a few years from now.

[King]

#12. Harold Ramirez, OF, New Hampshire Fisher Cats (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/623912.jpg

 

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Highest on Harold Ramirez: Cyborg, LetTheBallFly (#7)

Lowest on Harold Ramirez: Todd (#15)

 

What The People Are Saying

Bobthe4th: nothing particularly exciting about his stats or profile

 

Nafro: Apparently he can hit 0.300, while hitting off balance half the time. Imagine if he finds an approach allowing him to stay balanced a majority of the time!

 

NJH: Ramirez has not posted loud minor league numbers but he's still only 22. He could be in AAA next year at that age, which is very good age vs. level. I've seen scouts give him 50+ grades across the board. Lines like "his feel for the barrel and ability to make hard contact makes him a name to watch" (2080) make me salivate. Hitters hit, man. Ramirez is an upper level sleeper.

 

SirBJay: He's hit everywhere he's been at, and I've personally love guys who tend to keep their K rates well below 20%. Baseball America is convinced that he'll gain some extra power, even though it probably won't be much. But the fact that he's got plus plate discipline and proximity to the majors makes him solid.

 

P2F: Young for his level, but he's not without his flaws. Average bat speed and a little long in his swing. There is potential here for him to become a plus hitter, but the absence of power in his game and that he is likely destined for LF don't exactly indicate a future star. 2017 will be a telling season for him.

 

Krylian: No exceptional tools. Solid overall.

 

Maahfaace: Zeke Carrera 2.0?

 

43211234: Harold's calling card and ticket to the big leagues is his hit tool. Ramirez has a good ability to make contact but has shown only middling power and below average walk rates. Though he has spent time in center field, some scouts see him more as a corner player. Though he's piled up the stolen bases in the minor leagues, Harold has done so very inefficiently (career 73 SB, 44 CS).

 

TheHurl: He is the least exciting guy around…but he can get the bat on the ball. I learned to love Colombians during the Pan Am's I will come around. A fat Ben Revere..maybe that's not so bad though

 

KingKat: Definitely a better hitter than McGuire at this point but he has a higher bar to clear to make himself useful.

[King]

#11. Reese McGuire, C, New Hampshire Fisher Cats (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/624512.jpg

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Highest on Reese McGuire: BBBB, #5

Lowest on Reese McGuire: Todd, P2F, TheHurl, imsorry4beatinU (Not Ranked)

 

What The People Are Saying

King: McGuire has the makings of a future backup catcher in the MLB. His defense gives him that floor but it is his bat that will dictate his future. He currently has an advanced hit tool which could go a long way to helping him carve out an MLB career.

 

Bobthe4th: another potential September 2017 call up

 

Grant77: I ranked him 11th ahead of higher upside prospects because of his excellent contact ability and good defense. Even if the power never comes along, I think he'll project similarly to Kurt Suzuki, who put up 12.5 WAR in his first 6 seasons.

 

Nafro: Let's hope this time next year Max Pentecost has taken back spot as top Catcher in the system.

 

SirBJay: Proximity is the key here. A catcher who grades out plus defensively and a plus framer is going to make it to the majors. If his good walk rate can keep him up to 320 and 330 OBP, he's an excellent backup option who doesn't hurt you with the bat.

 

43211234: McGuire has a reputation of being a fantastic defensive catcher. Though he has posted excellent BB and K rates over his minor league career, the power and hit tools have been well below average. Framing ability is such a wildcard and it could be the factor in whether Reese has a long big league career or not.

 

Krylian: Above average glove, below average bat so far...but there is upside in the bat.

 

Maahfaace: Solid defense, light bat. Could be a cheap backup for years to come.

 

TheHurl: I like Reese, but Defense only catcher who I've never seen. I’m just not going to push him

 

KingKat: It’s easy to forget that both McGuire and Ramirez are only 21. They seem to be perceived as older than they actually are. Because he’s still pretty young, there might be more here than meets the eye. At the very least, he should be expected to clear that lowest of bars, MLB backup catcher.

[King]

#10. Jon Harris, RHP, Lansing Lugnuts/Dunedin Blue Jays (Dec. 2015 Rank: 6)

 

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Highest on Jon Harris: BBBB, #1

Lowest on Jon Harris: King, Jimcanuck, GD (Not Ranked)

 

What The People Are Saying

Bobthe4th: 4 pitches, with lots of potential for improvement

 

Grant77: Harris had long stretches of absolute brilliance this year and someone watching him during one of these starts could be forgiven for thinking of him as a future ace. Unfortunately, he bookended those stretches with a bunch of low strikeout games. At his best, he mixes 3 average or better pitches and gets a lot of groundballs with his 93-95 mph sinker. He's clearly got the ability and he showed that in 2016. More consistency makes him a future fixture in our rotation, but he could end up as a reliever if it doesn't come together soon.

 

43121234: The Blue Jays nabbed Harris at the end of the first round in 2015 to the surprise of some who had begged him to potentially go in the early teens of the draft. He had a disastrous start to his professional career in the following months, but fatigue from a long college season was often given as a potential reason for the poor showing. Jon had a much better season in 2016 as he showed his decent mix of pitches and command that many scouts think will let him slot into the back-end of a starting rotation. After failing to miss many bats in his first several starts of the year, Harris threw consecutive starts with 11 Ks in mid-May, though he never showed that level of swing-and-miss again.

 

P2F: The fastball, changeup and slider all flash above-average potential, but his delivery is high effort. If he can straighten out his mechanics, the upside could be that of a #4/5 in the majors. He has a lot of work to do yet. Not as polished as once thought.

 

Krylian: Had a bounceback year in 2016. Could move quickly if he can build on that season.

 

Maahfaace: Has decent control with his sinking fastball, but needs to improve on his secondary stuff's ability to miss bats if he wants to be anything more than a #5

 

TheHurl: Hated the pick. He's done little to impress me. But he doesn't walk guys so that moves him ahead of the next three

 

KingKat: He definitely improved upon his weak debut but I’m not ready to jump aboard this train just yet.

[King]

#9. Conner Greene, RHP, Dunedin Blue Jays/New Hampshire Fisher Cats (Dec. 2015 Rank: 3)

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/641632.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Jt5vFql.png

 

Highest on Conner Greene: P2F, #3

Lowest on Conner Greene: GD, Todd (Not Ranked)

 

What The People Are Saying

King: Greene is one of the more polarizing pitchers in the Jays system. He insists that no one should worry about his 2016 numbers as it was a development year for him, but the longer he keeps putting up numbers like he has the tougher it is to believe. It's very odd as the numbers do not much the power stuff that he has. He's going to need to trim the walk rate and miss more bats (no more pitching to contact!) if he wants to be an MLB starter in the future. A move to the bullpen could be in the cards as well, and he has the stuff to provide a lot of value there.

 

Bobthe4th: needs a good season to stay relevant

 

Spats: I was high on Greene until I saw him in Arizona..not sure that he has the drive to be a top pitcher.

 

Grant77: Greene found a lot of new velocity (almost 10 mph) in a very short period and the changeup is a very new pitch so his 2016 struggles should have been expected in hindsight. Still, he has an easy plus plus fastball and compliments it with a plus curve ball.That alone gives him a floor as a high leverage reliever and he still has top of the rotation upside if the changeup comes. We learned a lesson with Aaron Sanchez about how minor league pitching stats can be deceptive. I think that the case with Greene as well.

 

Jimcanuck: step back in 2016, needs to rebound in 2017 or bullpen is his future

 

NJH: I don't hate Conner Greene. I love the reports on his stuff, but the numbers he posted this year weren't just bad - they were awful. And then he went to the AFL and did even worse. Don't start buying stocks in bad ratio / good stuff pitching prospects just because Aaron Sanchez happened. For every Sanchez in baseball there are a dozen Kyle Drabeks. Greene is 11th for me because he took no steps forward this year while the system improved. He could climb way up the list next year if he puts it together though. The raw ingredients are there.

 

LetTheBallFly: Dropping fast. Hit a wall this year. Next season will be big for him.

 

43211234: The only prospect in the system with his own IMDB page. Greene made huge strides in the stuff and results department in 2015 but the numbers took a step back this past season. Reports are that Greene possesses a plus fastball, sitting 93-97 and touching 98 at times to go with solid sink. He is still looking for a consistent secondary pitch but the slider, curve and changeup have all been said to have shown flashes of promise. Reports have suggested Conner has had trouble maintaining a steady routine and some makeup questions have been raised. Greene is still very young. He will only turn 22 as he starts the season in AA next year.

 

P2F: One of the best fastball/changeup combos in the minors. There's plus potential in his curveball, but it's been inconsistent. There is lots to dream on here, despite the fact the results haven't caught up to the stuff yet. The question is: Does he really want to play baseball, or would he prefer acting/modelling?

 

Krylian: Aaron Sanchez lite

 

Maahfaace: I was expecting big things from Greene this year, but he took a step back and seems to have developed control issues. Hopefully he can refine his secondary stuff and harness better command because his fastball is 65/70 IMO

 

TheHurl: Does the smile have everyone fooled? K'ing no one, walking plenty. Keeps the ball in the park…but has never pitched in a hitters park.

 

KingKat: This guy seems pretty full of himself. This would bother me less if he was coming off a better season. Of course just because someone is easy to dislike doesn’t mean it’s sensible to do so. For better or for worse, I’m pretty bearish right now and there’s a baseball argument for that not just a knee jerk dislike.

[King]

#8. T.J. Zeuch, RHP, Vancouver Canadians (Dec. 2015 Rank: N/A)

 

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Highest on T.J. Zeuch: TheHurl (#5), z3r0s, p2f #6

Lowest on T.J. Zeuch: Jonn, #14

 

What The People Are Saying

Bobthe4th: encouraging start but still too early, if he keeps developing he could easily rank higher in six months

 

SirBJay: A guy who can strike guys out at a decent clip and gets groundballs is a good thing, with some video showing a really good breaking ball. He likely starts in Lansing next year, so he won't be too old for the level.

 

P2F: The 2016 first round pick got off to an electrifying start in the minors this summer, albeit over a very small sample of 34 IP across three levels. He will be fun to watch over a full season in 2017. Likely starts at High-A Dunedin.

 

Krylian: Tall and lanky. Mid-90s FB with good curve. Could have a big 2017.

 

Maahfaace: Giant with some swing and miss stuff potential, still at least 3 years away from contributing

 

43211234: A big dude. Zeuch stands 6' 7" with room to grow into his lanky frame. Zeuch had a solid but unspectacular pro debut, posting good K and BB percentages. TJ sports a heavy fastball that call touch the mid 90s but needs to refine his secondary pitches. He will probably start 2017 in Lansing.

 

TheHurl: Repeatable delivery, Best bet in the Jays system to be a positive starter

 

Grant77: It's always hard to comment on newly drafted players beyond the dated scouting reports, but I did get to watch Zeuch pitch once against the Eugene Emeralds. My first thought was how tall he was on the mound. He's a legit 6'7 (maybe more) and he pitches from a high 3/4 arm slot. I'd imagine that the ball is difficult for batters to pick up and also gets on them quickly. He liked to pitch up in the zone with his fastball and also had a slider, which scouting reports say flashes as plus. I didn't see many changeups, so that will be key to his development, like any young pitcher.

 

KingKat: Seems like a good pick.

 

GD: I think Zeuch is really gonna surprise people. Great mechanics, a good mix and pitched well this year.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Oh oh ... Let the Good Times roll and the Mocking... Did I do this thing wrong?

 

Sorry