Dickey trade

[metsguy]

How do you Jays fans feel about the RA Dickey deal? Syndergaard should be emerging this year and dArnaud may be a top ten catcher. Glad to see Dickey doing well for you

[jays76]

How do you Jays fans feel about the RA Dickey deal? Syndergaard should be emerging this year and dArnaud may be a top ten catcher. Glad to see Dickey doing well for you

 

Clearly you Mets fans couldn't handle the Dickey. He's going to be untouchable in yr 3 for us as he sprays his balls all over the plate.

[Daniel Labude]

At this point in time we have annihilated the Mets in this trade. dArnaud is putting up jpa #s on offense and syndergaard would have been our 5th best pitcher in AAA last year. Both of these players lightyears are away from reaching their potential.

[BTS]

Dickey has been a solid mid-rotation workhorse starter, but obviously that's not something you give up Syndergaard and d'Arnaud for.

[leaffie]

How do you Jays fans feel about the RA Dickey deal? Syndergaard should be emerging this year and dArnaud may be a top ten catcher. Glad to see Dickey doing well for you

 

Perhaps you should wait until they are actually producing for your major league team before you gloat.

[BTS]

Perhaps you should wait until they are actually producing for your major league team before you gloat.

 

d'Arnaud is currently a good major league catcher.

[metsguy]

Perhaps you should wait until they are actually producing for your major league team before you gloat.

 

I like the deal from our end NOW, though at the time I would have preferred it if RA took the offer we gave him. I was SHOCKED you dealt dArnaud.

 

From your perspective, you have gotten effective innings, but not of the Cy variety. If you fall from the race, maybe dealing him in July might be the right call.

[metsguy]

d'Arnaud is currently a good major league catcher.

 

On the offensive side he will be just fine, maybe elite for the position. Keeping an eye on the receiving and throwing skill set.

[BTS]

On the offensive side he will be just fine, maybe elite for the position. Keeping an eye on the receiving and throwing skill set.

 

He's probably a +10 framer. Add that to the bat that's at least league-average and you have the potential for 4+ win seasons if he can stay on the field. I don't hold the Mets org in the highest regard, but I really hope they don't let the passed balls hurt their perception of how good he is.

[RealAccountant]

Depressing subject this

[ElNik2013]

It was a bad trade since the beginning. Most here wish they would've gotten a younger pitcher, or position player, in return.

 

I do think there's some hidden value in the stability Dickey, as well as Buehrle, have brought to the Blue Jays' starting rotation. I also think the Blue Jays value the interest and hype the Dickey and Marlins trades brought them. Absent those moves, they risked striking out in FA and going into 2013 expecting to lose between 90-100 games. Not saying this is a good reason to overpay, but this franchise just doesn't dig being in such a position.

 

 

Very few of the players traded would've helped the team either lose 90-100 games the last 2 seasons, or avoid losing that many games, so they figured they'd spend some of their assets on improving the team ASAP rather than take a step or 2 back and wait for the farm to bear fruits.

 

I certainly hope Syndergaard and D'Arnaud continue to do well for the Mets.

[RealAccountant]

d'Arnaud is currently a good major league catcher.

 

Navarro had a higher WAR last year but he is garbage right.

 

Lol hypocrisy overload

[BTS]

Navarro had a higher WAR last year but he is garbage right.

 

Lol hypocrisy overload

 

It's frustrating because I typed out a really long post the last time you brought this up, which you ignored, and now you're back on the same subject in another thread. If Navarro was a +10 framer and d'Arnaud -10 my opinion on their value would be reversed.

[GD]

Navarro had a higher WAR last year but he is garbage right.

 

Lol hypocrisy overload

 

throwback to that time BTS specifically addressed how fWAR for catchers doesn't give you the full picture without framing

[GD]

It's frustrating because I typed out a really long post the last time you brought this up, which you ignored, and now you're back on the same subject in another thread. If Navarro was a +10 framer and d'Arnaud -10 my opinion on their value would be reversed.

 

throwback to that time BTS specifically addressed how fWAR for catchers doesn't give you the full picture without framing

 

god damnit BTS

[metsguy]

He's probably a +10 framer. Add that to the bat that's at least league-average and you have the potential for 4+ win seasons if he can stay on the field. I don't hold the Mets org in the highest regard, but I really hope they don't let the passed balls hurt their perception of how good he is.

 

I dont think the organization does. Many of my fellow fans are a different story

[metsguy]

19 year old Wuilmer Becerra was also part of that deal. 6-4 195 lb OF just needs to solve the contact problem a bit as he moves along to upper levels of A ball this year

[jays_fever]

Aren't the Mets considering moving D'Arnaud to the outfield? It just seems like an organization that's determined to shoot themselves in the foot

[RealAccountant]

throwback to that time BTS specifically addressed how fWAR for catchers doesn't give you the full picture without framing

 

well if BTS said it must be true, after he is one of the leading MLB analyst

[Captain Adama]

At this point in time we have annihilated the Mets in this trade. dArnaud is putting up jpa #s on offense and syndergaard would have been our 5th best pitcher in AAA last year. Both of these players lightyears are away from reaching their potential.

 

There was never a point where we annihilated the Mets, D'Arnaud put up better numbers than JPA ever did with plus framing and syndergaard is a better prospect than Daniel Norris.

 

Everything about this post is ridiculous.

[GD]

well if BTS said it must be true, after he is one of the leading MLB analyst

 

not subtle enough

[Jimcanuck]

Very few of the players traded would've helped the team either lose 90-100 games the last 2 seasons, or avoid losing that many games, so they figured they'd spend some of their assets on improving the team ASAP rather than take a step or 2 back and wait for the farm to bear fruits.

 

I certainly hope Syndergaard and D'Arnaud continue to do well for the Mets.

 

Dickey trade wasn't needed to avoid losing 90-100 games. I literally hit the roof when the trade was made.

 

It is very likely this will be the worst Blue Jays trade ever.

[RealAccountant]

19 year old Wuilmer Becerra was also part of that deal. 6-4 195 lb OF just needs to solve the contact problem a bit as he moves along to upper levels of A ball this year

 

I dont think you will find anyone argue that this wasn't a Mets win. Is that what you wanted, well you already got it. You guys won big time,

[RealAccountant]

Dickey trade wasn't needed to avoid losing 90-100 games. I literally hit the roof when the trade was made.

 

It is very likely this will be the worst Blue Jays trade ever.

 

Worse then Micheal Young for Esteban Loiza

 

or Werth for Frasor

[BTS]

This is what I get for addressing RealAccountant as a real person and not a bumbling idiot like everyone else does. I want my minutes back.

[metsguy]

Aren't the Mets considering moving D'Arnaud to the outfield? It just seems like an organization that's determined to shoot themselves in the foot

 

Mets are about BUILT

 

Have been through a tough rebuild - and now ready to compete

 

No sign dArnaud will change positions. You dont do that just because he had some hiccups with the glove in one season and you have another catcher coming up behind him.

 

Catchers that hit like he projects are GOLD. But we still need to see if there is any CARTER (read: leader) in him.

[Zaun of the Dead]

tbh I think trading Gomes for Esmil Rogers is a way worse trade. that one still bums me out.

[Jimcanuck]

Worse then Micheal Young for Esteban Loiza

 

or Werth for Frasor

 

Yes. BOTH d'Arnaud and Syndergaard project to be elite at their positions. Bucerra, who knows.

 

Let's see how this plays out.

[Jimcanuck]

This is what I get for addressing RealAccountant as a real person and not a bumbling idiot like everyone else does. I want my minutes back.

 

Just a bad day. You know better.

 

FWIW, I and am sure others read that post.

[BTS]

Mets could actually be sneaky good this year:

 

C - d'Arnaud

1B - Duda/Mayberry

2B - Murphy

3B - Wright

SS - Flores

CF - Lagares

LF - Granderson

RF - Cuddyer

 

Harvey

deGrom

Colon

Wheeler

Niese

Montero/Gee/Syndergaard

 

That's the best they've looked in awhile.