Governator Community Moderator Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 No. Smoak is far more valuable to have in the lineup than Navarro. far more? C'mon that's a bit of a stretch... They are what, both about league average bat at their best? Not to mention Smoak is coming off a 77 wRC+ season... From Adam Lind to that is a hole, even if strength was plugged elsewhere, a hole is a hole is a hole. Travis could be league average at 2B as well, but that's still a hole.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 far more? C'mon that's a bit of a stretch... They are what, both about league average bat at their best? Not to mention Smoak is coming off a 77 wRC+ season... From Adam Lind to that is a hole, even if strength was plugged elsewhere, a hole is a hole is a hole. Travis could be league average at 2B as well, but that's still a hole. Smoak has been poisoned by Seattle. He's shown glimpses here and there and was a former top prospect. Give him a chance and perhaps you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Swapping Adam Lind for Justin Smoak is a real steamer alright. lol
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Smoak has been poisoned by Seattle. He's shown glimpses here and there and was a former top prospect. Give him a chance and perhaps you'll be pleasantly surprised. I hope you guys are right.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 far more? C'mon that's a bit of a stretch... They are what, both about league average bat at their best? Not to mention Smoak is coming off a 77 wRC+ season... From Adam Lind to that is a hole, even if strength was plugged elsewhere, a hole is a hole is a hole. Travis could be league average at 2B as well, but that's still a hole. I'm with you on Lind...I reeeeeally hated that move. Although, I do think he talked his way out of town. *sighs*
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I hope you guys are right. It's just not a huge gamble and there's still upside there. I would be shocked if he was as bad as last year. Plus, I think maybe having his career on the line will help matters.
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Best hitter should NOT hit third. 1st, 2nd, or 4th. Can we also never say "batting champion"? It's batting average champion, totally different thing. Why should the phrase "batting champion" never be used? The phrase has been around since forever and everyone with a shimmer of pubic hair knows it means batting average champion.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 It's just not a huge gamble and there's still upside there. I would be shocked if he was as bad as last year. Plus, I think maybe having his career on the line will help matters. Like I said. If it doesn't work out, having a roving DH, would be suffice.
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Best hitter should NOT hit third. 1st, 2nd, or 4th. Can we also never say "batting champion"? It's batting average champion, totally different thing. 2nd would arguably be the only other spot where your best hitter should hit. If you want to leverage Bautista's bat overall, then you give him a good chance of coming to bat in the first inning with runners on. Worst case he comes up with nobody on like he would hitting lead off anyway, just with two out now. He 's still guaranteed a first inning AB.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Why should the phrase "batting champion" never be used? The phrase has been around since forever and everyone with a shimmer of pubic hair knows it means batting average champion. Because it implies best hitter, obviously.
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Because it implies best hitter, obviously. C'mon,give me a break. Everybody knows it means batting average champion, unless you're new to the game. Worried about the casuals being misled? LMAO.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Because it implies best hitter, obviously. I get what he's saying but it seems like a battle you can't win. It's like trying to get people to stop calling four strikeouts a golden sombrero when originally that was a sombrero and the golden sombrero was 5 strikeouts OR that Mario Mendoza's career BA is .215 not .200 OR that the terms stoppers and closers aren't supposed to mean the same thing OR that the term West Coast offense didn't originate with the San Francisco 49ers, etc.
Maine Jays Verified Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Not gonna hit 30 HR but I think he'll break out. I don't think he'll hit 30, either. 29, not 30.
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Two hitters have a season: Hitter A: .240 AVG, .350 wOBA Hitter B: .300 AVG, .350 wOBA Assuming same park, age, competition, sample size, leverage, etc. Who is likely the better hitter? Wouldn't they be the same, since their offensive contributions are equal? Be nice..
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I get what he's saying but it seems like a battle you can't win. It's like trying to get people to stop calling four strikeouts a golden sombrero when originally that was a sombrero and the golden sombrero was 5 strikeouts OR that Mario Mendoza's career BA is .215 not .200 OR that the terms stoppers and closers aren't supposed to mean the same thing OR that the term West Coast offense didn't originate with the San Francisco 49ers, etc. Too much dumbness to fight all at once.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Too much dumbness to fight all at once. We have the CEEB line now, mate.
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Too much dumbness to fight all at once. Who the f*** do you think you are, seriously.
LongTimeReader Verified Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Who the f*** do you think you are, seriously. His attitude is a cover for his shame and anxiety. He uses derogatory remarks to try and boost his self-esteem (to no avail). By demeaning others he feels empowered, if only temporarily. Most likely he was treated similar by his peers or family at a younger age and now he needs to lash out at others. I also suspect an all-around incompetence in his "real life". That should answer your question, rhetorical or not.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 His attitude is a cover for his shame and anxiety. He uses derogatory remarks to try and boost his self-esteem (to no avail). By demeaning others he feels empowered, if only temporarily. Most likely he was treated similar by his peers or family at a younger age and now he needs to lash out at others. I also suspect an all-around incompetence in his "real life". That should answer your question, rhetorical or not. lol...kind of like the Bald thing Phil?!
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Who the f*** do you think you are, seriously. lol...why so mad, he was talking about casuals?
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 lol...why so mad, he was talking about casuals? No he wasn't. Casuals aren't familiar with that type of terminology. The guy is just an insecure prick.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 No he wasn't. Casuals aren't familiar with that type of terminology. The guy is just an insecure prick. You guys should fight...IRL?
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Who the f*** do you think you are, seriously. Is that a question? You didn't phrase it properly, so I have to ask.
Zaun of the Dead Verified Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 first post. i would go Reyes 6 Martin 2 Bautista 9 Encarnacion 1 Donaldson 5 Navarro 0 Saunders 7 pillar / pompey 8 goins 4 with slight variations. assume Smoak will get lots of playing time as well with Edwin DHing.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 first post. i would go Reyes 6 Martin 2 Bautista 9 Encarnacion 1 Donaldson 5 Navarro 0 Saunders 7 pillar / pompey 8 goins 4 with slight variations. assume Smoak will get lots of playing time as well with Edwin DHing. Are you that guy?
SpeedyGose Verified Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I'm with you on Lind...I reeeeeally hated that move. Although, I do think he talked his way out of town. *sighs* Lind only played 130 games in one of the last 4 seasons. I don't see it as a huge loss honestly
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Lind only played 130 games in one of the last 4 seasons. I don't see it as a huge loss honestly They made a stride in actually taking him out against LHP'ing. Add a 4th OF'er or INF'er that rakes lefties, that's a cheap and productive DH.
SpeedyGose Verified Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 They made a stride in actually taking him out against LHP'ing. Add a 4th OF'er or INF'er that rakes lefties, that's a cheap and productive DH. Not just that. I recognize he is still a good hitter, however, two of the last three seasons he has played under 100 games. Consistently battling injuries and on the wrong side of 30 - I don't blame them for not wanting him to use a roster spot + get some value for him while they could.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Not just that. I recognize he is still a good hitter, however, two of the last three seasons he has played under 100 games. Consistently battling injuries and on the wrong side of 30 - I don't blame them for not wanting him to use a roster spot + get some value for him while they could. Estrada isn't value bro, Lind holds much more when used properly, the foot incident was both freaky and BS, last year.
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