Cuban infielder Yoan Moncada to hold showcase

[Angrioter]

I think it's 23 (or 24), Yasmani Tomas is 24 and he's considered a Free Agent.

 

5-23 rule colega.

[kgm1]

MLB Trade Rumors just posted that he's now a FA. Any prospect junkies care to offer an opinion whether he or Tomas is the better prospect in terms of dynasty?

I hold 1, 4, 6, & 7 in a 20 team dynasty, so his addition makes things even more intriguing.

 

He isn't a free agent yet. Might not be in this signing period. If he is it means the Cubs and Rangers can't sign him.

From Ace,s link

 

As Passan notes, Moncada has yet to be unblocked by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control or Major League Baseball, so the timeline for his arrival on the free agent market is uncertain, but the timing of his arrival is critical. If Moncada isn’t declared a free agent until next year’s signing period (the current signing period runs through June 15, 2015), the Angels, Yankees and Red Sox would not be able to sign him, as the penalties they’ve incurred prevent them from signing a player for more than $300K in the next two signing periods. If he’s declared a free agent in the current signing period, the Rangers and Cubs, who exceeded their bonus pool in the 2013-14 signing period, would not be able to sign him.

 

Better he not get unblocked till after June 15 th . If he is I expect the Yankees to out bid everyone.

[metafour]

I'm lost. If he's declared a free agent why is it still subject to the INT spending pool?

 

Because his age technically makes him an "amateur".

[Angrioter]

Yankees are seen as the favorites to land Cuban SS Yoan Moncada.

 

http://www.fantasyalarm.com/playerupdate/304875/yoan-moncada-ss/

[Mikeleelop]

Has anyone seen or heard AA comment on Tomas or Moncada??

 

Curious to hear if the Jays just think the valuations don't make sense or what??

 

you could probably get Tomas for LF for a lower AAV than Cabrerra. Although they would likely have to go over their 5 year rule to get him.

 

Moncada, I get. the initial bonus (plus penalty) are going to make the package insane

 

What about other Cuban options for 2b. I don't think there are any slam dunk MLB all stars but there are some intriguing prospects. Jays don't have a lot of depth at 2B in the minors. That's why they are considering switching Thomas and DSJ to 2B

[Angrioter]

Has anyone seen or heard AA comment on Tomas or Moncada??

 

Curious to hear if the Jays just think the valuations don't make sense or what??

 

you could probably get Tomas for LF for a lower AAV than Cabrerra. Although they would likely have to go over their 5 year rule to get him.

 

Moncada, I get. the initial bonus (plus penalty) are going to make the package insane

 

What about other Cuban options for 2b. I don't think there are any slam dunk MLB all stars but there are some intriguing prospects. Jays don't have a lot of depth at 2B in the minors. That's why they are considering switching Thomas and DSJ to 2B

 

I went to Boca Chica to see Tomas showcase and I didn't see a single Blue jays cap.

A buscon said to me "The Phillies will sign this guy"

[Mikeleelop]

I went to Boca Chica to see Tomas showcase and I didn't see a single Blue jays cap.

A buscon said to me "The Phillies will sign this guy"

 

Under the radar scouting at its finest!

[Angrioter]

Under the radar scouting at its finest!

 

I saw Tomas BP that day. Dingers for all the field.

[Deadpool]

Has anyone seen or heard AA comment on Tomas or Moncada??

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/blue-jays-notes-melky-hamels-salty.html

 

"...Davidi reports, and he also reiterates that the Jays aren’t interested in Yasmany Tomas."

 

But, that is 2 weeks old, and who knows what's happened since then (or if it was some sort of cover at the time...)

[Mikeleelop]

What kind of control does signing Moncada get a team? 6 years?

[z3r0s]

What kind of control does signing Moncada get a team? 6 years?

 

unless you negotiate control away like some teams have been doing to get deals done.

[xposbrad]

You guys are dreaming in color if you think the Jays are going after Moncada or Tomas. I'd love both, but AA's philosophy is to get older more established guys. We'd all love a nice young core of huge upside guys, but it's not happening.

[Mikeleelop]

You guys are dreaming in color if you think the Jays are going after Moncada or Tomas. I'd love both, but AA's philosophy is to get older more established guys. We'd all love a nice young core of huge upside guys, but it's not happening.

 

I realize Jays are not in the mix. My question yesterday was whether AA has said he's not interested in bidding on Tomas? I think you could get him signed for a lower AAV than Cabrerra. The number of years likely would prevent AA from jumping in but Tomas is only 24......

 

Moncada is a pipe dream. No chance Jays bid

[xposbrad]

I realize Jays are not in the mix. My question yesterday was whether AA has said he's not interested in bidding on Tomas? I think you could get him signed for a lower AAV than Cabrerra. The number of years likely would prevent AA from jumping in but Tomas is only 24......

 

Moncada is a pipe dream. No chance Jays bid

 

I think they will take the same AAV about 15m a year. Just Tomas will require a 6 year deal.

[Mikeleelop]

I think they will take the same AAV about 15m a year. Just Tomas will require a 6 year deal.

 

and Tomas is six or seven years younger (but unproven)

[Spanky99]

You guys are dreaming in color if you think the Jays are going after Moncada or Tomas. I'd love both, but AA's philosophy is to get older more established guys. We'd all love a nice young core of huge upside guys, but it's not happening.

 

Who dreams in Black and White?

[ace3113]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/103645646/yoan-moncada-yoan-lopez-lead-cluster-of-cuban-prospects

 

Moncada, Lopez lead cluster of Cuban prospects

 

SAN DIEGO -- Yasmany Tomas is no longer available, but Cuban prospects remain a popular topic of discussion at the Winter Meetings.

 

Switch-hitting middle infielder Yoan Moncada, 19, and right-handed pitcher Yoan Lopez, 21, are among the players generating the most buzz in international circles this week. Both are expected to sign with a team sometime next year.

 

The Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, D-backs and Braves are among the several teams that have scouted the latest group of Cuban players on the scene.

 

"I think our direction is really to find impactful players to come into our organization, whether that be another young Cuban player coming from the Dominican or becoming a free agent or a top player from Venezuela [or the Dominican Republic], our goal is to find the most impactful players to bring into this organization," said D-backs senior vice president of baseball operations De Jon Watson.

 

"The primary focus is to try to impact our organization internally and grow our own players. If we're able to do that, I think it's going to impact our big league club in the future. But right now, our focus is to find the best talent that is walking on the planet."

 

The list of free agents from Cuba who are eligible to sign includes right-handed pitcher Jorge Despaigne, 23, and first baseman Jozzen Cuesta, 25. Left-handed pitcher Misael Siverio, 25, recently signed with the Mariners and outfielder Dian Toscano, 25, is finalizing a deal with the Braves.

 

Second basemen Andy Ibanez, 21, and Hector Olivera are expected to hit the market sometime next year, and there are countless others, such as third baseman Pavel Quesada, 25, in various stages of eligibility documentation.

 

"We scout Cuban players extensively," Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said.

 

Moncada remains the most celebrated young prospect to leave Cuba since Jorge Soler, who signed with the Cubs in 2012. Moncada debuted for Cienfuegos in Cuba's Serie Nacional at age 17 and hit .277 during parts of two seasons. He made a name for himself by dominating the 16-and-under and 18-and-under leagues in Cuba.

 

Moncada, who is staying with his agent in Florida, had a showcase for 60-70 scouts on Nov. 12 and could begin private workouts soon. Teams are expected to scout Moncada and Lopez in several private workouts before making the commitment to sign the players.

 

Lopez, 21, held a showcase for scouts in the Dominican Republic on Nov. 8 and has begun private workouts for teams. Sources indicate the Yankees, Dodgers, and D-backs are among the teams that have already expressed interest in the 6-foot-4, 190-pound pitcher.

 

Lopez, who established residency in Haiti and has been declared a free agent by Major League Baseball, must still be cleared by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) of the United States Department of the Treasury before he can sign with a team. Moncada, 19, is also awaiting OFAC clearance before he can sign.

 

Lopez throws a cut-fastball, a change, a curve and a slider, but he is best known for a fastball that hovers in the 93-to-95 mph range. His fastball has been clocked at 100 mph three times since he began working out for teams. Back in Cuba, Lopez played three seasons for Isla de la Juventud in Cuba's Serie Nacional, the island's top league. He sported a 3.12 ERA with 28 strikeouts and 11 walks in 49 innings in his final season before defecting from Cuba.

 

Because they are under 23 and have not played in a Cuban professional league for at least five seasons, Lopez and Moncada are subject to the international signing guidelines. In accordance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement, each team is allotted a $700,000 base and a bonus pool based on the team's record in 2013 for the international signing period, which started on July 2.

 

The Yankees, Red Sox and Rays have spent more than 15 percent of their allotted bonus pools and are in the maximum penalty range for the 2014-15 signing period. The penalty includes a 100 percent tax on their pool overage and prohibits them from signing any pool-eligible player for more than $300,000 during the next two signing periods. The Angels are also expected to face the most severe penalty after agreeing to a deal worth $8 million with Cuban infielder Roberto Baldoquin.

 

"[scouting's] more difficult, I think, because it's a very pricy market for us and the tax associated with those types of commitments when it gets to a certain level," Cashman said. "You don't really have as good a feel on the makeup and the personal background, which is important in a bigger market. It makes those investments a little bit more risky."

 

"But we've participated, we haven't been included because the markets have floated in certain categories way high. In most cases, a lot of those teams have benefited from doing their transactions, but we'd like to scout a player, but also get a chance to know the player before we make recommendations at those financial levels. It's harder when you don't have access to get background and stuff like that."

 

It's impossible to dispute the level of commitment teams are making to players from Cuba.

 

The D-backs announced their six-year, $68.5 million deal with Tomas on Monday. Outfielder Rusney Castillo signed a seven-year, $72 million deal with the Red Sox in August, Jose Abreu signed a six-year, $68 million contract with the White Sox last October and Yasiel Puig inked a seven-year, $42 million deal with the Dodgers in June 2012.

 

"Recently, Cuban players are re-emerging. You go to the old days with [Tony] Oliva and [bert] Campaneris, so you know they're playing quality baseball down there," D-backs general manager Dave Stewart said. "But when you make an acquisition, some of the first clubs that did it, and they had success, we all paid attention. So I think it's fair to say that Cuba will now be viewed as Mexico, Puerto Rico, Dominican and Latin America, Venezuela as a source of potential Major League stars."

[z3r0s]

Switch-hitting middle infielder Yoan Moncada, 19, and right-handed pitcher Yoan Lopez, 21, are among the players generating the most buzz in international circles this week. Both are expected to sign with a team sometime next year.

 

The Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, D-backs and Braves are among the several teams that have scouted the latest group of Cuban players on the scene.

 

...

 

The Yankees, Red Sox and Rays have spent more than 15 percent of their allotted bonus pools and are in the maximum penalty range for the 2014-15 signing period. The penalty includes a 100 percent tax on their pool overage and prohibits them from signing any pool-eligible player for more than $300,000 during the next two signing periods.

 

 

So with the Yankees and Sox are basically out on Yoan Moncada if he signs next year?

[Deadpool]

So with the Yankees and Sox are basically out on Yoan Moncada if he signs next year?

 

And Angels, apparently... Unless they sign for $300K or less (unlikely...)

[Westfan]

So with the Yankees and Sox are basically out on Yoan Moncada if he signs next year?

 

This years signing period ends June 15 th. Long as mlb and the U.S. foreign assets control clear him before that date they will still be able to sign him

 

I still expect him to go to the Yankees.

[Deadpool]

This years signing period ends June 15 th. Long as mlb and the U.S. foreign assets control clear him before that date they will still be able to sign him

 

I still expect him to go to the Yankees.

 

They will have to pay literally twice what other teams would to get him... (well, okay, not exactly, since other teams would be over the limit and whatnot if they added a $10M+ guy, but still...)

[Westfan]

They will have to pay literally twice what other teams would to get him... (well, okay, not exactly, since other teams would be over the limit and whatnot if they added a $10M+ guy, but still...)

Every team signing him will have to pay the 100 percent tax. He is expected to get 30 to. 40 mil. I think the Yankees see this as the fastest way to get talent into a s***** system and are already penalized for two years so what is another 60 to 80 mil.

[Undefeated_JaysFan]

This years signing period ends June 15 th. Long as mlb and the U.S. foreign assets control clear him before that date they will still be able to sign him

 

I still expect him to go to the Yankees.

 

Why would the US foreign assets control be involved if he signed in Canada?

[GD]

So, Yankees get Moncada. Great.

 

Dodgers pls do something

[jaysfan2014]

Wherever Yoan Moncada signs, the team signing him won't be able to sign international free agents for a year after signing him due to international spending caps, which Moncada is expected to blow past.

 

Lots of teams will be in on him.. no guarantees the Yankees get him.

[Angrioter]

Wherever Yoan Moncada signs, the team signing him won't be able to sign international free agents for a year after signing him due to international spending caps, which Moncada is expected to blow past.

 

Lots of teams will be in on him.. no guarantees the Yankees get him.

 

"No guarantees the Yankees get him" - lol

[Ehjays]

you know we\re not in on him because we have deals in place next year

[Deadpool]

Wherever Yoan Moncada signs, the team signing him won't be able to sign international free agents for a year after signing him due to international spending caps, which Moncada is expected to blow past.

 

Lots of teams will be in on him.. no guarantees the Yankees get him.

 

Every team, including the Yankees, that has already lost next year's pick is in on him. That means the Yankees get him, unless they don't want him. Which they do.

[GD]

you know we\re not in on him because we have deals in place next year

 

Gonna be fun watching morons scream "Why didn't we sign him!!!" and not realizing it's because we have a deal with Vlad Jr in place

[Angrioter]

Gonna be fun watching morons scream "Why didn't we sign him!!!" and not realizing it's because we have a deal with Vlad Jr in place

 

I said that weeks ago.