The Franchise Inability To Find Even Clubhouse.

[Slugger]

First off, I would like to say that, in any clubhouse, the attitudes and character of players will be tested if you put them on a last place team or a team that's in a straight nose dive like the Blue Jays have been in.

 

However, I think we're starting to see serious flaws in our clubhouse. Flaws that an acquisition can't hide, and when this kind of poison filters into the room it's almost impossible to get rid of without starting from scratch. The leaders on this team are the leaders, and that won't change as long as they're here. Do you think stripping Joe Thorton and Patrick Marleau of letters is going to change who the real leaders in that locker room are?

 

Give me a break.

 

There's absolutely no denying the kind of talent we have on this team but we're missing the intangibles. It's funny because I remember the exact same thing happening here before, except it was on the other side of the spectrum.

 

Do you remember those good but not great teams during the JP era? Specifically '06-'08? That team was full of the plainest guys of all time and the common criticism around them was that they didn't have any fire, no flair, they were missing a spark plug, someone to stir the pot, etc. It was a room full of leaders that couldn't come up with a leader. A team full of guys with snug pants, no 3/4 sleeves or foot long wrist tape. But they played the game well, played fundamental ball.

 

Nearly a decade later, we've swapped that for handshakes, eye black + shades on hat and an inability to catch and throw the ball. The team leader must be in the starting 9, he simply has to. Until this organization can find a balance between "playing the game the right way" and bat flips after home runs, we're going to be spinning our tires. My biggest fear is that our young players are going to get bad habits playing in a clubhouse with no accountability. Lawrie could be that balance but I'm not sure if he'll meet his potential without solid leadership.

 

You need talent + leadership. One can't succeed without the other.

 

What are your thoughts? Am I stoned?

[wilko]

You may be stoned, but you're wrong regardless. Good luck finding a player without those traits in this day and age to be a leader. You're not allowed to smoke and drink on the bench anymore. Take away a mans habits and you get inflated ego's, bat flipping, lazy fly balls, no hustle, and shattered dreams.

 

 

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33696&stc=1&d=1298511061

[GD]

^wilko's drunk posts at 1:30 >>

[Stangstag]

Solution: fire John Gibbons and promote Sal Fasano to manager

[GD]

Solution: fire John Gibbons and promote Sal Fasano to manager

 

Yes, that is what's wrong with this team

 

Lack of a handlebar mustache

[Key22]

The team needs some pitching - get that and everything else falls into place. Forget all the leader BS. Lead by throwing shutouts.

[GNick49]

137 million dollar payroll for a .500 team. Something is seriously wrong

[Boxcar]

First off, I would like to say that, in any clubhouse, the attitudes and character of players will be tested if you put them on a last place team or a team that's in a straight nose dive like the Blue Jays have been in.

 

However, I think we're starting to see serious flaws in our clubhouse. Flaws that an acquisition can't hide, and when this kind of poison filters into the room it's almost impossible to get rid of without starting from scratch. The leaders on this team are the leaders, and that won't change as long as they're here. Do you think stripping Joe Thorton and Patrick Marleau of letters is going to change who the real leaders in that locker room are?

 

Give me a break.

 

There's absolutely no denying the kind of talent we have on this team but we're missing the intangibles. It's funny because I remember the exact same thing happening here before, except it was on the other side of the spectrum.

 

Do you remember those good but not great teams during the JP era? Specifically '06-'08? That team was full of the plainest guys of all time and the common criticism around them was that they didn't have any fire, no flair, they were missing a spark plug, someone to stir the pot, etc. It was a room full of leaders that couldn't come up with a leader. A team full of guys with snug pants, no 3/4 sleeves or foot long wrist tape. But they played the game well, played fundamental ball.

 

Nearly a decade later, we've swapped that for handshakes, eye black + shades on hat and an inability to catch and throw the ball. The team leader must be in the starting 9, he simply has to. Until this organization can find a balance between "playing the game the right way" and bat flips after home runs, we're going to be spinning our tires. My biggest fear is that our young players are going to get bad habits playing in a clubhouse with no accountability. Lawrie could be that balance but I'm not sure if he'll meet his potential without solid leadership.

 

You need talent + leadership. One can't succeed without the other.

 

What are your thoughts? Am I stoned?

 

We clearly are missing Mark DeRosa dearly.

[Boxcar]

Yes, that is what's wrong with this team

 

Lack of a handlebar mustache

 

I can get behind this logic. I would put great facial hair at the top of my manager trait wish list.

[G-Snarls]

I can get behind this logic. I would put great facial hair at the top of my manager trait wish list.

 

Exactly. Little else matters. Just let the players decide on the lineup each day, make sure everyone gets to hit leadoff at some point, and whichever reliever thinks "I can get this next guy out" can just run out on to the mound and take over.

[GD]

As long as we've got the handlebar the rest will come.

 

 

 

 

 

if gibby gets fired though I have a hard time seeing anyone but Hale get the job