Gose trade value?

[markdavo4]

Hi all,

 

Bored at work and was tossing this over in my head so thought I'd see if I could spark some discussion and get some views of those with better knowledge than I.

 

On one hand Gose isn't too far removed from being listed as one of the top prospects in baseball.....however, on the other hand his ability to contribute at the major league level seems to be growing increasingly questionable. This year it is a real possibility that he misses out on breaking camp with the team again, and could do so to Moises Sierra.

 

Does he still carry decent value in the trade market and if so would it be wise of the Jays to cash in while he still does (I read an article suggesting Mariners would be looking for OF prospect/bullpen help for Franklin) or is there still enough potential there for us to continue to stick with him and hope to benefit. I guess the biggest worry would be that if we traded him and Rasmus got injured then we are left with no one that can give adequate D in center (plus - given that the Greek has left Rasmus as the best OF going into free agency next yr it doesn't put us in the best spot to retain Colby).

 

Anyway, thoughts & discussion would be most appreciated.

 

Cheers

MD4

[gruber92]

His trade value has definitely diminished in the past year. If AA can involve him in a package to fill a need,then he can provide some "sprinkling" value. On his own i think we are better off keeping him on the bench. Like you said if Colby goes down, we will need his CF defense big time. He will also be a valuable pinch runner / late inning defensive replacement for Melky in late inning leads.

[TDotttt2005]

I think we're better served keeping him in the fold, and trying to get his value up. A .650 OPS while repeating AAA, albeit in his age 22 season, kinda killed his value. I can see Sierra being traded, and bringing back more than what Gose would at this point. That said, Sierra is out of options, so its play him or lose him, which would affect his trade value.

[Angrioter]

I don't think he returns more value via trade than he provides to the team as a 4th OF. He's the only guy on the projected 25-man that can play CF when Rasmus is out, and he's a potentially useful weapon as a late-inning pinch runner.

 

Very smart thought. Gose is a weapon that can contribute to wins games, as long as you use him adequately (Rays philosophy)

[Sammy225]

I don't think he returns more value via trade than he provides to the team as a 4th OF. He's the only guy on the projected 25-man that can play CF when Rasmus is out, and he's a potentially useful weapon as a late-inning pinch runner.

 

Not only that but a late inning defensive substitution for such outfielder as Melky

[G-Snarls]

Yeah might as well keep him

 

He's done a Hechavarria level decline in trade value. (One of the most interesting stories from the Davidi and Lott book was the disagreement AA and Farrell had about whether to play him or not)

 

The parallels here are very similar except it's too late with Gose - he has enough playing time that every knows he can't hit well enough. Plus Gibby is probably smarter at platooning and moving guys around than Farrell was.

Edited March 3, 2014 by G-Snarls

[Brenner]

Gose will have plenty of playing time on this team replacing Rajai Davis as the 4th OF, who was getting 300-400 ABs a year.

[G-Snarls]

Use him for defense and speed. Give him a year with Seitzer to see if he can work any magic. He's cheap and Fast and plays good defense. Gibby can make use of that.

[G-Snarls]

Gose will have plenty of playing time on this team replacing Rajai Davis as the 4th OF, who was getting 300-400 ABs a year.

 

Depends on if they keep Sierra up too.

[z3r0s]

Use him for defense and speed. Give him a year with Seitzer to see if he can work any magic. He's cheap and Fast and plays good defense. Gibby can make use of that.

 

This exactly. Not saying he ever gets there, but he doesn't have to hit much to be worth 2-3 WAR. Not to mention guys who generate most of their value with defense seem to me to be chronically undervalued in terms of contracts. They can be good assets (no data on this, just a general observation).

[KingKat]

Hi all,

 

Bored at work and was tossing this over in my head so thought I'd see if I could spark some discussion and get some views of those with better knowledge than I.

 

On one hand Gose isn't too far removed from being listed as one of the top prospects in baseball.....however, on the other hand his ability to contribute at the major league level seems to be growing increasingly questionable. This year it is a real possibility that he misses out on breaking camp with the team again, and could do so to Moises Sierra.

 

Does he still carry decent value in the trade market and if so would it be wise of the Jays to cash in while he still does (I read an article suggesting Mariners would be looking for OF prospect/bullpen help for Franklin) or is there still enough potential there for us to continue to stick with him and hope to benefit. I guess the biggest worry would be that if we traded him and Rasmus got injured then we are left with no one that can give adequate D in center (plus - given that the Greek has left Rasmus as the best OF going into free agency next yr it doesn't put us in the best spot to retain Colby).

 

Anyway, thoughts & discussion would be most appreciated.

 

Cheers

MD4

 

I think the basic question is does Gose provide more value to another team than he does to the Jays because it's only in such scenario that he's likely to provide a return that surpases his value to the Jays (I say "likely" because bad trades do happen but if you expect to get more value in a trade from a team that needs him less, you're basically just counting to be on the good side of a bad trade). When you're trying to consider which team would benefit from acquiring Gose, that would be a team that could use Gose's skills in the short term and would benefit from him in the long term in an expended role should he show some kind of progression because there's an OF need down the road. That pretty much describes the Jays to a "T". They can use him as a 4th OF and as it stands he's hypothetically first on the CF depth chart for 2015.

 

As it stands, no one is likely to have more use for Gose than the Jays but that would change if the Jays commit to Rasmus. If Rasmus is your CF long term and Gose is only going to be a backup for the foreseeable future than I think you try to trade him to another team with a thin OF depth chart and more of a long term CF need and just go year to year with veteran 4th OF types.

 

The Mariners are a good fit for Gose but they don't seem to value defense anymore so they're probably a waste of time. It's too bad becasuse a CF for 2B trade with them would make some sense. Even without a Rasmus extension, it would be at worse a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul, shifting depth around in the short term and trading one long term hole for another. Otherwise, I think only the Mets might have the kind of OF depth issues that would make Gose attractive.

[TheHurl]

Gose right now could probably fetch you a player who is out of options and didn't earn a spot (Michael Taylor, Brett Wallace, Travis Snider, Christian Friedrich, Nick Hagadone, Gary Brown, Brett Jackson types). Next year when Gose burns up his last option (unless he spends all year in the majors) he'll have zero value if he plays the same way.

[markdavo4]

Cheers all for the replies. Consensus view seems to confirm my suspicion that his value has probably plummeted to a level where the return from trade probably doesn't outweigh benefit of keeping him.

[Convo]

Can we just change this thread to a poll and ask if Gose is worth a bag of balls in the trade market - yes or no?