Ben Nicholoson Smith: Jays in mix for Stephen Drew

[theblujay]

So it was more fun watching the Jays in 2011 and 2012 when you were excited at the prospect of what 4 or 5 players 1,000km away that you have likely never seen personally play and likely post-2014 away from being on the team then it was in 2013 because those said players now "might" yet still make an impact while Dickey, Buerhle and Reyes actually play and provide major league results? It seems you have issues.

Hahaha settle down.

 

If last year was fun at all for you I'll be truly surprised. No results, an old, injured, unlikeable team, and no future (Young players/ prospects).

[theblujay]

Pleasantly surprised that no one has said anything stupid.

 

/gets to "why bother spending a draft pick" post/

 

Let's ignore that.

 

Ubaldo + Drew at less than 90M would be so sexy.

 

Enlighten me why we should give up a draft pick and money for a 2-maybe 3 win upgrade in a non-contending year

[jays4life19]

Enlighten me why we should give up a draft pick and money for a 2-maybe 3 win upgrade in a non-contending year

 

How are you so sure this is a non-contending year?

 

If we trade for Shark, sign drew and pick up a suitable platoon for Lind (ie. Baker or Denorfia) Do you still feel the same?

 

How many of us thought it was a non contending year for the Sox last year too?

[Jimcanuck]

How are you so sure this is a non-contending year?

 

If we trade for Shark, sign drew and pick up a suitable platoon for Lind (ie. Baker or Denorfia) Do you still feel the same?

 

How many of us thought it was a non contending year for the Sox last year too?

 

Can never be sure but so much has to go right. No. 1 being stay healthy, an unlikely proposition for this crew.

[jays4life19]

Can never be sure but so much has to go right. No. 1 being stay healthy, an unlikely proposition for this crew.

 

Absolutely.

 

But we're not the Astro's either. A 2nd base upgrade would provide the biggest boost in terms of Wins and if we can do that via Drew + add a pitcher it's not so crazy anymore if we stay relatively healthy.

 

Saying that...i don't think Drew signs here.

[jays4life19]

Dream Scenario:

 

AJ Burnett - 1 year 15 million.

Trade: Shark for Sanchez, Nolin and Nay.

Sign: Drew 3 years 33 million.

Sign: Jeff Baker.

[theblujay]

Let me ask you: Will the player we draft with the 2nd round pick have a better chance at providing more wins than Drew?

 

How much do you value wins in a year we don't make the playoffs?

[theblujay]

How are you so sure this is a non-contending year?

 

If we trade for Shark, sign drew and pick up a suitable platoon for Lind (ie. Baker or Denorfia) Do you still feel the same?

 

How many of us thought it was a non contending year for the Sox last year too?

 

Well I thought last year we had a great chance to make the playoffs, but now after seeing the team play and seeing the strength of our division I'm not counting on it.

[theblujay]

Yep...seasons over already! Pack it in guys

 

I never knew you to be an optimist. All I want to see is competitive games past July, but I'm trying to be realistic here. Right now I'd pick us to come in 4th or 5th in our division easily. Drew himself isn't going to get us there, and I'm not willing to give up picks, Sanchez, Nay + and money to have a chance at a WC spot.

 

Even if we made all those deals, are we set up any better than we thought we were last year? Look what happened.

[jays4life19]

My dream has already happened. JP is off the team, anything else that happens is a bonus.

 

My dream was replacing JP with more than a 0.5 fWar upgrade.

[theblujay]

Who cares about your picks? Current team ~85 wins by Steamer.

 

What did Steamer have last year? And before you say it was an anomaly, this is basically the same team, but older.

[jays4life19]

What did Steamer have last year? And before you say it was an anomaly, this is basically the same team, but older.

 

The 85 projected wins would take into account last years stats.

[GD]

Wasn't an anomaly, it was the low end of the standard distribution around the mean of projected wins.

 

Picturing my casual fan friends reading this and their heads exploding collectively.

[theblujay]

I'm just bitter because I'm fed up with this org. The first draft I ever followed all the way through from pre-draft to signing day was the Synder, Sanchez draft. I can clearly remember Syndergaard being picked and he instantly became one of my favorite prospects. Now that's all been taken away, and Sanchez could easily be on the move soon.

 

How sad is it that one of the greatest moments of my time being a die-hard Jays fan is Arencibia's debut?

 

How sad is it that all I want is to see meaningful games in July and last year I had Red Sox fan friends complaining about the upcoming season in April.

 

I don't want to spend another year watching the team miss the playoffs with such a high payroll and a weak farm. I'm tired of not selling high and buying low on assets.

[GD]

Now that's all been taken away, and Sanchez could easily be on the move soon.

 

inb4 CHP

[theblujay]

Yep.

 

Also you project everyone to be injured as much as they were last year? (to theblujay)

 

 

Both Joses and Morrow are very injury prone. Dickey is special, but he's still 40. Lawrie is an injury waiting to happen. This just isn't a very healthy team. We haven't been healthy for years.

[theblujay]

Wasn't an anomaly, it was the low end of the standard distribution around the mean of projected wins.

 

What was the mean I can't remember

[kgm1]

I'd LOVE to see AA make a boss move like that - sign Jiminez for 13.5M and Drew for 9.5 per year and announce both at the same time while hiding a smirk.

 

Signing both Drew and Jiminez gives the Jays a shot . Question what was the Soft cap s*** all about ??? Posturing ?

 

Get Both and a healthy Morrow and Melky performing to expectations and the jays just may surprise .

[jays4life19]

Both Joses and Morrow are very injury prone. Dickey is special, but he's still 40. Lawrie is an injury waiting to happen. This just isn't a very healthy team. We haven't been healthy for years.

 

I always thought the label "injury prone" was stupid for athletes.

 

....then i met Dustin McGowan.

[ElNik2013]

Wasn't an anomaly, it was the low end of the standard distribution around the mean of projected wins.

 

 

Did the Red Sox hit their high end? I ask because I remember many here (old MLB board) talking about them like thebluejay is talking about the Jays...lol. I remember posters talking about how Napoli's hip would never hold up and s*** like that. Just pisses me off even more rehashing last season and how it went, or didn't go, better shut up and go sleep.

[theblujay]

Did the Red Sox hit their high end? I ask because I remember many here (old MLB board) talking about them like thebluejay is talking about the Jays...lol. I remember posters talking about how Napoli's hip would never hold up and s*** like that. Just pisses me off even more rehashing last season and how it went, or didn't go, better shut up and go sleep.

 

That's what I'm feeling too. Last year was such a disaster I just want to flush it all away and go to back to where we were the year before: rebuilding with a good farm. I'm fine with not making the playoffs-(that's all I know since they haven't made the playoffs in my lifetime)-but the club better be taking a noticeable step forward every year. Plus its more fun to watch young guys

[theblujay]

Then leave and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

 

I don't understand fans who will bitch and whine how terrible it is cheering for the team and how unhappy it makes you. If you are truly unhappy you can stfu and stop cheering.

 

You're my favorite new poster

 

 

If last year didn't make you unhappy then you're not a Jays fan

[jays4life19]

I'm sure you'll love this forum

 

lol.

[kgm1]

Who cares about your picks? Current team ~85 wins by Steamer.

 

Have you run the numbers using zips projections . I just find the 85 wins #seeming to be on the high end .

[ElNik2013]

What would we do without rumors, especially in an off season like this year's? Rumors bring hope where there was little left...till they turn out untrue and leave you feeling depressed.

[theblujay]

I was unhappy, I am however not going to come on here bitching and acting like a 16 year old girl whose life is ruined because she didn't get a brand new car on her birthday. There is more constructive ways to deal with the disappointment then coming in here and telling us how you feel and how your issuing ultimatums to a management team that doesn't give 2 shits about what you or any other fan thinks as long as people keep watching them on TV and buying tickets, lol.

 

I'm glad you're all warm and fuzzy about the direction of this team.

 

What do you think this board is for if we're not going to say how we feel about the team? I have an opinion that I'm going to share, if you have a problem then leave

[theblujay]

12:00 midnight, southwest corner of Yonge/Bloor?

 

Knew this was coming

[theblujay]

Your the one who has had it with the team, or is this the 10th "final straw" from the team for not doing what you want them to do?

 

I'll be a Jays fan no matter what, not sure what you're talking about. Is it so offensive to you that I want the team to be set up better for the future and that I care enough to post about it?

[theblujay]

Let me help this situation out.

 

What are your full, detailed thoughts on Ryan Goins and the Ryan Goins situation at hand?

 

Don't bring Goins into this, he deserves better

[Angrioter]

Then leave and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

 

I don't understand fans who will bitch and whine how terrible it is cheering for the team and how unhappy it makes you. If you are truly unhappy you can stfu and stop cheering.

 

Golpeas muy fuerte con tus palabras. Toda una bitch.

 

Welcome brotha