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Doug Fister is a borderline ace. Washington had better be giving up four good prospects. If not, it's a steal.

 

NO, he's not. He's just a sinkerballer who can get groundballs keeping the ball down.

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Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 12s

 

#Nationals confirm it. It's Lombardozzi, Krol and Ray for Fister. #Tigers

 

LOL WTF.......I FEEL LIKE WE GAVE UP MORE FOR HAPP

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Fister is not an ace. He's been a very solid pitcher over the last three years, though he's not an elite No. 1 starter.

 

So you can name 30 pitchers who will outperform Fister next year?

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Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 12s

 

#Nationals confirm it. It's Lombardozzi, Krol and Ray for Fister. #Tigers

 

LOL WTF.......I FEEL LIKE WE GAVE UP MORE FOR HAPP

 

Musgrove + Asher + Perez + Comer is probably a better package.

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Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 12s

 

#Nationals confirm it. It's Lombardozzi, Krol and Ray for Fister. #Tigers

 

LOL WTF.......I FEEL LIKE WE GAVE UP MORE FOR HAPP

 

Yeah, that's one hell of a steal. Now we can rage lol.

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What a terrible package. Kinda seems like Detroit didn't shop him very hard or very long, we never heard anything about his availability and that is one lacklustre return.
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Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 12s

 

#Nationals confirm it. It's Lombardozzi, Krol and Ray for Fister. #Tigers

 

LOL WTF.......I FEEL LIKE WE GAVE UP MORE FOR HAPP

 

f***ing pathetic man....How can you only get one good prospect, a reliever with upside and a AAAA utility guy for one of the best pitchers in the game???

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Fister for s*** part 1: Charlie Furbush, Casper Wells, Francisco Martinez and PTBNL

Fister for s*** part 2: Lombardozzi, Ray and Krol

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This is f***ed up. One of the best pitchers (and cheap!) in baseball for no premium pieces.

 

This is completely senseless, I can't imagine what the f*** Detroit was thinking here. They didn't even get one impact prospect back for a durable SP2 at below market salary.

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Tigers go from having 4 dominating starters to 3 dominating starters. I wonder what hole they'll fill from the Nats

 

I'm guessing they're doing this because they're on the verge of signing a free agent starter?

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I wouldn't have minded if we acquired Fister...

 

That goes for all of us, but I don't see how that's a knock against the Blue Jays. Detroit made an idiotic trade. It's pretty obvious that they could have landed a better package if they shopped Fister better.

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Is Sierra, Nolin, Santos an equivalent package as Ray, Krol, Lombardozi?

 

Ray is a decent prospect > Nolin but Lambardozzi is nothing

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So you can name 30 pitchers who will outperform Fister next year?

 

What does the number 30 have to do with anything? Are there 30 No. 1 starters in all of baseball? In terms of an elite No. 1 starter, there aren't many around. I consider guys like Kershaw, Hernandez, Wainwright, Verlander etc. as true No. 1 starters.

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Yep, it's a knock against all the other 28 teams, so why single out the Blue Jays. If we were named as the runners-up to acquire Fister, that would be something.

 

Not necessarily. Like dinger said, it could have been a poor shop job by Detroit. I for one haven't heard a single Fister rumor all off-season.

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From 2011-13 Fister is ninth in fWAR with a 3.30/3.21/3.48 line. He doesn't give up any walks or home runs... who cares if he doesn't throw 95. He's durable and extremely effective.

 

He's a great pitcher (not arguing that). I just don't consider him in the same class as a Kershaw, Hernandez, Wainwright etc, who I view as elite No. 1 guys.

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Are there 30 No. 1 starters in all of baseball?

 

By definition yes. The designations is meaningless otherwise. "Ace" is the more subjective designation.

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By definition yes. The designations is meaningless otherwise. "Ace" is the more subjective designation.

 

So I guess that means Bud Norris all these years has been an ace and No. 1 starter with the Astros?

 

When I use the word "ace" or "No. 1 starter," I'm not using them in the terms of a team's rotation. I'm using them in my own evaluations of pitchers and what they are. For example Norris was the "ace" of Houston's rotation, though do I consider him a true No. 1 starter - nope.

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lol that's the return for Fister? Wow. What's the rush though? I mean surely they could have gotten at least one premium talent in return for an arm like Fister.

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