The JPA is the best thread.

[theblujay]

Both metrics, the eye test from people other than fan girls, and common f***ing sense disagree.

 

Look, I really want Arencibia to succeed, I nearly bought his jersey a few years ago. When he first came up, I'd go to games and look specifically for him, try to get his autograph. On opening weekend 2011 (I think.. the day Drabek threw that insane 1 hitter) vs the Twins, he was signing autos, and I JUST missed one. I was heart broken.

 

I really want him to succeed, and I want what's best for the team. However, he's a really, really f***ing bad catcher right now, and the only reason he has any value whatsoever is because he plays catcher, fairly ironically.

 

This isn't about hate, it's about being realistic.

 

Like I said it's not worth arguing over when you clearly have an extreme view that isn't going to change.

[dineke]

I really do hope JPA will break baseball logic this year. 45 hrs with a .260 OBP would be hilarious!

[Chappy]

I'll stand by opinion until I see something to change it and I realize I'm in the minority. At least you don't have the irrational hate for JPA and wish for him to fail like more than half this board.

 

I have no hate for anyone. I don't like his attitude which I think comes from immaturity (ie. twitter), but if he can work on a few things he could be ok moving forward. It just upsets me that we could use Thole up here and he is rotting away in AAA.

[GD]

Even buck martinez and greg zaun called out JP a lot the last few weeks over constant cross ups with pitchers, inability to frame pitches, block balls in the dirt. He's useless throwing out runners. Anyone who has watched baseball can see JP is a bad catcher.

 

We are jays fans we obviously want him to be great, the only person being irrational is you. Trying to excuse away his lack of catcher skills.

 

Hasn't he been decent at throwing guys out every year but this one, though?

 

As the saying goes ignorance is bliss!

 

+1 (too lazy to thank)

 

Like I said it's not worth arguing over when you clearly have an extreme view that isn't going to change.

 

The irony of this is delicious. My view is fairly adaptable due to my extreme wanting to like Arencibia, but I just can't. f***, the only thing extreme is how much I hate your fangirling, lol.

[Chappy]

I really do hope JPA will break baseball logic this year. 45 hrs with a .260 OBP would be hilarious!

 

The problem is he seems to refuse to take a walk. Time and time again I see him swing at ball 4 and it almost seems like he just doesn't like to walk. Beer league mentality?

[theblujay]

I have no hate for anyone. I don't like his attitude which I think comes from immaturity (ie. twitter), but if he can work on a few things he could be ok moving forward. It just upsets me that we could use Thole up here and he is rotting away in AAA.

 

I'd have no problem platooning Thole with JPA, but AA is off in his own world where the Jays are in first. I actually like his confident attitude and I like how he seems to be well-liked in the clubhouse, by the organization and by many fans.

[theblujay]

The problem is he seems to refuse to take a walk. Time and time again I see him swing at ball 4 and it almost seems like he just doesn't like to walk. Beer league mentality?

 

I'm not too concerned with his K:BB rate as it will normalize, although it still won't be good. Realistically we cannot have a lineup of all high OBP guys, so have an all or nothing guy isn't the end of the world.

[dineke]

The problem is he seems to refuse to take a walk. Time and time again I see him swing at ball 4 and it almost seems like he just doesn't like to walk. Beer league mentality?

 

What's funny is that he had a 7.4% walk rate in 2011. Mottola needs to explain to him how his 1.7% walk rate right now is unacceptable but I have a feeling he wont listen because he's having some lucky success right now and his ego is the size of my dick.

[GD]

What's funny is that he had a 7.4% walk rate in 2011. Mottola needs to explain to him how his 1.7% walk rate right now is unacceptable but I have a feeling he wont listen because he's having some lucky success right now and his ego is the size of my dick.

 

False, JPA has a big ego.

[dineke]

False, JPA has a big ego.

 

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[Chappy]

I'm not too concerned with his K:BB rate as it will normalize, although it still won't be good. Realistically we cannot have a lineup of all high OBP guys, so have an all or nothing guy isn't the end of the world.

 

I don't mind all the K's if he was more willing to at least take a few more walks. Sometimes those walks are just handed to him and he swings for the fences, I just don't get his approach. He could actually be a legit middle of the order threat if he could recognize when pitchers are sometimes trying to pitch around him to avoid giving up the long ball.

[GD]

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u mad bro?

[dineke]

u mad bro?

 

Mad that your mom told you my dick size. Zing!

[Chappy]

Mad that your mom told you my dick size. Zing!

 

I think you just zinged yourself, lol.

[GD]

Mad that your mom told you my dick size. Zing!

 

reported.

[GD]

I think you just zinged yourself, lol.

 

LOL I think he got me and himself. That takes skill.

 

Edit: Wait, no, banging my mom isn't something to be proud of, he only zinged himself.

[dineke]

I think you just zinged yourself, lol.

 

f***

[Metallijay]

zaun called out jp again on his D on that play at the plate.

[Dick_Pole]

Arencibia needs to get his eyes checked. Everything I read about that man is that he gave it his all to improve his game this offseason. So far all I've seen is his slugging game get better, and his defense and pitch selection get worse. Every time he's out there it looks like he's catching 1991 Juan Guzman for the first time. It's like he has no depth perception, no ability to track the movement on pitches from pitchers he is allegedly familiar with. His complete lack of ability to frame pitches and his disgusting K/BB ratio leads me to think he has some kind of vision issue. You don't make it to the MLB as a catcher with such serious flaws in catching ability that seems to be getting worse otherwise. I'm sure half the people on this board could frame pitches better than him if we had a couple months of spring training to practice working with the pitching staff.

[havok24]

2BB:45K

 

lol

[wilko]

2BB:45K

 

lol

 

That's cringe worthy.