A Very Darrelly Dynasty League

[jaysblue]

Sorry are we talking about FC, where silvio is like 6 time champion and 3 time runner-up?

 

Haha I'm a six time champ? I wish. I've only won that league twice.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Sorry are we talking about FC, where silvio is like 6 time champion and 3 time runner-up?

 

Na, 30 Team ESPN League

[Boxcar]

And to think Kyle Hendricks was going to pitch like a Top 10 pitcher with his stuff moving forward was kind of a bit optimistic. Great time to sell by the other team!

 

Kyle Hendricks has good stuff. His changeup is dirty. His problem is some kind of hand issue that caused him to lose velocity.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Seriously, just stop it BTS. Aiming pretty low right now!

 

I knew that Marte was gonna get suspended. That's why I traded him.

[Dr. Dinger]

His problem is some kind of hand issue that caused him to lose velocity.

 

His other problem is that peaking at 90 MPH, he didn't have any velocity to lose.

[GeorgiaPeach]

8 Top 50 guys isn't really a bad farm, couple that with another 9 graded out as 50FV

[jaysblue]

Kyle Hendricks has good stuff. His changeup is dirty. His problem is some kind of hand issue that caused him to lose velocity.

 

I don't have a problem with your trade that you made and I don't care. You're a responsible poster on this board who can manage his own team. I was just using it as an example since it was ok for you to criticize and nitpick my previous trades with GP, then I guess other trades are fair game as well.

 

And what I said about you, I think I can speak to the other 19 managers in this league and others. We're all responsible and well respected posters on here who can manage our own teams. We've never had a problem with collusion or questioning the integrity of others and we don't have a problem with that.

[z3r0s]

Trade aside (I think the return was really light) I think this level of anger over a player like Cozart is overblown. Everyone an their dog new Gibbers would deal him. He's old, its a fluke season for him, and he has Correa coming back.

Gibbers isn't the easiest guy to get a hold of, but I have to assume he didn't have a bunch of offers sitting in his inbox unanswered.

 

Could he have shopped him mor?... sure... but that's his call.

I don't see why he would help JB for the sake of it.

 

Just my two cents.

[Spanky99]

Haha I'm a six time champ? I wish. I've only won that league twice.

 

I'm coming for you...

[TheHurl]

Then squash the trade.

 

I'm not sitting around for long discussing little pieces of a trade to move a meh SS for a guy I see as a back end Marlins pen arm for the next 5 years.

 

I think I and quite a few others here understand lack of time to negotiate. I've been guilty of coming in with my best deal because I really covet a guy and I'm down on someone because I lack time. But sometimes you have to see things from the league perspective too or that there is zero chance that he makes Jaysblue's cuts so he's got zero future value for him.

[jays_fever]

Either GP gets kicked out or I'm going to quit the league.

 

I like trading with Dinger and Silvergun, should I just dumped Stanton and Bellinger to them out of no where because Reasons?

[Boxcar]

Trade aside (I think the return was really light) I think this level of anger over a player like Cozart is overblown. Everyone an their dog new Gibbers would deal him. He's old, its a fluke season for him, and he has Correa coming back.

Gibbers isn't the easiest guy to get a hold of, but I have to assume he didn't have a bunch of offers sitting in his inbox unanswered.

 

Could he have shopped him mor?... sure... but that's his call.

I don't see why he would help JB for the sake of it.

 

Just my two cents.

 

I don't think people are up in arms about this trade as a standalone. It's the trend.

 

Then when you bring it up, Gibbers acts like a complete *******, and Jaysblue whines for 5 pages. It's tiresome.

 

Plus, Cozart doesn't look like a total fluke. He's a lot more selective this year, and never had an issue with strikeouts.

[Spanky99]

Haha I'm a six time champ? I wish. I've only won that league twice.

 

Dude our trade, what's the foshizzle dizzle?

[jaysblue]

Trade aside (I think the return was really light) I think this level of anger over a player like Cozart is overblown. Everyone an their dog new Gibbers would deal him. He's old, its a fluke season for him, and he has Correa coming back.

Gibbers isn't the easiest guy to get a hold of, but I have to assume he didn't have a bunch of offers sitting in his inbox unanswered.

 

Could he have shopped him mor?... sure... but that's his call.

I don't see why he would help JB for the sake of it.

 

Just my two cents.

 

I think like you said, Gibbers has better things on his agenda than helping my DDL team. If he did, I'm sure Carlos Correa would have already been on my roster. So these claims of collusion and the both of us threatening the integrity of this league is kind of bush league if you ask me, especially after both of our track records on this forum and in other leagues. It's not like we're both just new members here. The level of anger is really overblown. If that's the case, I'll resign from all my board fantasy leagues.

 

As for Cozart, I asked him what he wanted. In a sophisticated league with well respected posters as this one, I don't think we need our hands held when making trades. And like you've said, he probably has received very little action on Cozart to date. I've shopped guys who've had breakouts like Eddie Rosario & Lonnie Chisenhall frequently and have had no interest or PM's my way whatsoever from the other 19 teams. So if someone came in and offered me a young high upside reliever with excellent peripherals or a 1st rounder, I would likely take it without even blinking an eye.

 

BTS kind of contradicted himself a couple of posts back when he was asking for a Top 100 guy for Givens. So if a reliever like Givens is worth a Top 100 guy, then I guess you can make an argument for Steck even if I picked him up off waivers last week. Gibbers is a prospect junkie, so he probably knew of Steck before I did. He's had a real solid career to date in the minors and has a chance to become a nice BP arm. Some guys slip through the crack all the time in 20-team leagues like this. Heck, in all my trade discussions yesterday in the LOD, mostly every team who was looking for a high pick asked me about Steck. In Miami, he now has been given the opportunity to pitch in high leverage situations, so moving forward he probably provides the same value as Givens does. Only thing Givens has is a bit of a longer track record in the Majors. So if Givens is worth a Top 100 prospect in the eyes of BTS, why is it wrong for Gibbers to view Steck as having the same value as a Top 100 guy? If that's the case, then I guess we should all rank our players/prospects according to what BTS thinks. The point I'm trying to make here is that everyone values players/pitchers/prospects differently. We shouldn't have a manager or managers determine that value for others when it comes to trades/FA acquisitions/draft picks etc. None of us need to be babied or told what to do.

 

Not everyone is easy to get a hold of. Sammy doesn't even respond to trade proposals over Yahoo and lets them expire and rarely replies to PM's. So thats why I hardly ever look to him when trying to make a trade because I know its difficult to get a hold of him and I don't have the time to sit around and wait for a week or 10 days etc. I don't have an issue with that, though just building off with what Hurl said, we all have managers that we communicate/talk with more than others. I'll probably chat with Gibbers, CatAss, you, the Hurl, Dinger, P2F, Jays4Life etc. when its comes to trades more than others since I know how to get a hold of him and usually get a swift response.

 

Aside from that, Tulo is also going GP's way. I'm sure other managers will laugh, though I doubt any one of the 18 managers would have traded Tulo for Cozart prior to the 2017 season. Like you said, it's not like Cozart isn't a spring chicken. The guy is 32 and the likelihood of him hitting this way next season or for the next 2-3 years are very slim.

[jaysblue]

Either GP gets kicked out or I'm going to quit the league.

 

I like trading with Dinger and Silvergun, should I just dumped Stanton and Bellinger to them out of no where because Reasons?

 

Posts like these are really immature and idiotic. You're not helping the situation here as others are trying to have a reasonable discussion.

[Dr. Dinger]

You should probably wait for another commissioner to approve your trade on this one.

[jaysblue]

I don't think people are up in arms about this trade as a standalone. It's the trend.

 

Then when you bring it up, Gibbers acts like a complete *******, and Jaysblue whines for 5 pages. It's tiresome.

 

Plus, Cozart doesn't look like a total fluke. He's a lot more selective this year, and never had an issue with strikeouts.

 

So I make a lot of trades with Gibbers, what does that have to do with anything? Again, this whole thing is overblown. Like even the Hurl said, we all have preferred trading partners/board members we have trade discussions with etc. I don't see how your argument is valid. And if you use the example of him spoon feeding me in trades for Posey and Marte, I'll turn to your Correa trade again.

[Dr. Dinger]

So I make a lot of trades with Gibbers, what does that have to do with anything?

 

Part of the problem is Gibbers constant absenteeism. If you don't have time for a league, you shouldn't be in it. People send him trade offers that he ignores for weeks or months, then suddenly you pull off trades with him on players that were never ever trade blocked. I don't see collusion per se, but what I do see is favourtism, a willingness to take a subpar return as a favour to a friend you know in person, absenteeism, an excess of NA players for an extended period of team, a complete unwillingness to ever field a competitive team over a multi-year period, and generally a s***** attitude. If you are going to have a crappy rebuilding team, be present, make moves, build towards something. He has not done any of those things, and the rope has been long.

 

I don't want to hear "oh sorry I was away from email for two weeks." This is 2017, we all have mobile apps, we all have smartphones, we all have email at our fingertips most of the day. If you can't fulfill basic communication requirements, this league isn't for you. It's time we hand this team over to an owner who actually intends on winning some day, and who actually responds to messages in a reasonable period of time.

[jays_fever]

Posts like these are really immature and idiotic. You're not helping the situation here as others are trying to have a reasonable discussion.

 

Do me a favour and screenshot your trade discussion with him please that included Tulo as part of the deal originally please.

 

This has been festering among at least 5 owners of this league for a while and it's not just pertained to this league.

 

He's either the worst fantasy player of all time or is running a long troll..I'm going go with the former.

[z3r0s]

holy drama batman... I'm out of this discussion.

 

don't blow up the league because of a Zack Cozart trade pls,thx

[Dr. Dinger]

holy drama batman... I'm out of this discussion.

 

don't blow up the league because of a Zack Cozart trade pls,thx

 

Nah, the league is going to be just fine.

[jaysblue]

Part of the problem is Gibbers constant absenteeism. If you don't have time for a league, you shouldn't be in it. People send him trade offers that he ignores for weeks or months, then suddenly you pull off trades with him on players that were never ever trade blocked. I don't see collusion per se, but what I do see is favourtism, a willingness to take a subpar return as a favour to a friend you know in person, absenteeism, an excess of NA players for an extended period of team, a complete unwillingness to ever field a competitive team over a multi-year period, and generally a s***** attitude. If you are going to have a crappy rebuilding team, be present, make moves, build towards something. He has not done any of those things, and the rope has been long.

 

I could say the same thing about Sammy. He never responds to trade offers on Yahoo or PM's for weeks or months. And then all of sudden he pulls off a trade with Silvergun or others? I could make the same claims as you just made. Again, doesn't bother me. I'll just likely turn to a manager who I have good discussions with or trade with a lot. I think we all have favourite managers we deal with more than others.

 

P.S. and you're one of them we pretty much don't beat around the bush in trade discussions and both have an idea of what we both are looking for so that makes trades pretty much easy & quick. So yeah I prefer making trades with you more than others.

[BTS]

holy drama batman... I'm out of this discussion.

 

don't blow up the league because of a Zack Cozart trade pls,thx

 

The league will be just fine.

[Dr. Dinger]

P.S. and you're one of them we pretty much don't beat around the bush in trade discussions and both have an idea of what we both are looking for so that makes trades pretty much easy & quick. So yeah I prefer making trades with you more than others.

 

Everybody has their more frequent trade partners, but I know for a fact that a lot of people in this league don't even bother trying to trade with Gibbers because it goes nowhere. Meanwhile you seem to have a direct line. The fact that you two know each other personally and have played in numerous leagues together over the years isn't helping the perception that he prefers to give you sweetheart deals for seemingly no personal benefit.

[jaysblue]

Do me a favour and screenshot your trade discussion with him please that included Tulo as part of the deal originally please.

 

This has been festering among at least 5 owners of this league for a while and it's not just pertained to this league.

 

He's either the worst fantasy player of all time or is running a long troll..I'm going go with the former.

 

I actually met Gibbers today and we talked over lunch. I then asked him "Hey bud, could you help a friend out and trade me Zach Cozart in the DDL?" And he was like, "Sure Sal, you're one of my greatest buddies in this league, anything to help you out!"

 

Why don't you lead an FBI investigation on this matter while you're at it?

[Laika]

I can't veto a trade where the two shortstops switching teams are the same age and project for basically the same wRC+. f*** I think I'd still take Tulo over Cozart for 2018.

 

I understand the general issues. I gather that the concerns are things that have probably been on people's minds for a while, and they are just bubbling up right now.

 

I'm not 100% against removing an active owner from the league but it's not something to do lightly. If someone is simply never competitive, shows no signs of ever being competitive, and makes a bunch of annoying trades with probably their best friend in the league, is that enough?

 

I don't buy the argument for intentional collusion.

[Spanky99]

Either GP gets kicked out or I'm going to quit the league.

 

I like trading with Dinger and Silvergun, should I just dumped Stanton and Bellinger to them out of no where because Reasons?

 

I'm taking my ball and going home, too.

[jaysblue]

Everybody has their more frequent trade partners, but I know for a fact that a lot of people in this league don't even bother trying to trade with Gibbers because it goes nowhere. Meanwhile you seem to have a direct line. The fact that you two know each other personally and have played in numerous leagues together over the years isn't helping the perception that he prefers to give you sweetheart deals for seemingly no personal benefit.

 

I don't think Gibbers has anything to gain in giving me preferential treatment when it comes to fantasy baseball.

 

I even made my intentions clear this morning on what I was looking to add before the deadline. I said I'd like to add a MI with multi-poistion eligibility since Zobrist looks sucky now. I searched through some rosters and saw Gibbers had Cozart. I figured since he has Correa and Baez already that he could be open to moving him so I sent him a message and it went from there.

[Spanky99]

holy drama batman... I'm out of this discussion.

 

don't blow up the league because of a Zack Cozart trade pls,thx

 

lulz

[Spanky99]

GP replies to his e-mails from me, but I can go the even easier route of facebook. Muahahahahaha...