NHL Thread

[GD]

I hope you're right, the smear campaign is out in full force, The UNCOACHABLES, THE COACH KILLERS, etc, etc, f***ing rats!

 

Phil doesn't deserve this.

 

Phaneuf is a below replacement level player.

 

Yup. Not the only problem, and the Leafs won't automatically be in a great spot by dealing him, but a big part.

[burlingtonbandit]

They'd take Phaneuf.

 

Doesn't he have a NTC?

 

Side note-Apparently Delow moved back to Toronto and isn't a part of hockey operations with the Oilers anymore.

[Spanky99]

Doesn't he have a NTC?

 

Side note-Apparently Delow moved back to Toronto and isn't a part of hockey operations with the Oilers anymore.

 

I'm not sure to be honest, he'd waive it, good ole Edmonton boy.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Bozak is a boat anchor. He has made a career out of leaching off Phil Kessel.

 

He's completely overrated playing with Kessel and JVR. He's really more of a 3rd line C and you don't need to give out those contracts for those kind of players.

 

He is a good two way forward that can help the team everywhere. Don't you think maybe he plays with Kessel and JVR is because he deserves it and is a strength to their weakness? I don't consider him an issue to this team at all.

[GD]

-11.6 Corsi Relative this season, never above 4.0 (in a small sample size as well). Bozak is turrible.

 

Did I do the whole analytic thing right? lol

[burlingtonbandit]

-11.6 Corsi Relative this season, never above 4.0 (in a small sample size as well). Bozak is turrible.

 

Did I do the whole analytic thing right? lol

 

Scoring chances for and against correlate to goals more than Corsi does but you got the right idea.

 

Here is a good article about what the Leafs need http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/mirtle-how-to-fix-the-maple-leafs-a-de-build-or-a-teardown/article22328317/

 

Funny enough as a Sens fan you could almost say that is exactly what the Sens need to do. Luckily Sens have much better pieces than the Leafs. s***** thing is we have the worst owner in the NHL.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

I don't know the " Corsi " at all...

 

However I do watch almost every game and Bozak is not the issue at all. You may not like the contract but that can be said for too many players. On this team as it stands he's a top 6 forward and doing his part without a doubt. Next I feel I'm going to hear Komarov is garbage..

 

I would go as far as saying without Bozak, this team would be with the Devils in the conference.

 

Now if you throw Bozak on the Hawks different story, he's not an elite player by all means but his role HERE is quite huge. More then Lupol, Kadri, Clarkson etc

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Scoring chances for and against correlate to goals more than Corsi does but you got the right idea.

 

Here is a good article about what the Leafs need http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/mirtle-how-to-fix-the-maple-leafs-a-de-build-or-a-teardown/article22328317/

 

Funny enough as a Sens fan you could almost say that is exactly what the Sens need to do. Luckily Sens have much better pieces than the Leafs. s***** thing is we have the worst owner in the NHL.

 

Thanks didn't know that stat at all.

 

The article is a good read and I don't disagree with it other then to complete those moves / transition is video game standards.

[GD]

I don't know the " Corsi " at all...

 

However I do watch almost every game and Bozak is not the issue at all. You may not like the contract but that can be said for too many players. On this team as it stands he's a top 6 forward and doing his part without a doubt. Next I feel I'm going to hear Komarov is garbage..

 

I would go as far as saying without Bozak, this team would be with the Devils in the conference.

 

Now if you throw Bozak on the Hawks different story, he's not an elite player by all means but his role HERE is quite huge. More then Lupol, Kadri, Clarkson etc

 

The entire ideal of hockey analytics is basically that if you get more shots than your opponent you'll do well and Bozak doesn't do that.

[Spanky99]

lol...Kessel took a swipe at Dave Freschuk today...

[canadiansportsjunkie]

The entire ideal of hockey analytics is basically that if you get more shots than your opponent you'll do well and Bozak doesn't do that.

 

So shots for and shots against is how we judge hockey players? No thanks. The game is much much more then that

[burlingtonbandit]

So shots for and shots against is how we judge hockey players? No thanks. The game is much much more then that

 

obviously theres more factors than that but if your team routinely outshoots and gets more scoring chances than your opponent then you are going to win more hockey games.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

obviously theres more factors than that but if your team routinely outshoots and gets more scoring chances than your opponent then you are going to win more hockey games.

 

Sure but you can't base those stats on a player!

[Nox]

Sure but you can't base those stats on a player!

 

Huh?

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Huh?

 

Not sure what you don't understand...I don't believe you can calculate how a player effects scoring attempts/shots versus shots against.

[GD]

Not sure what you don't understand...I don't believe you can calculate how a player effects scoring attempts/shots versus shots against.

 

Why don't you?

[burlingtonbandit]

Not sure what you don't understand...I don't believe you can calculate how a player effects scoring attempts/shots versus shots against.

 

Waronice is pretty much what Extra Skater was and tracks all that stuff. Really fun site.

[Nox]

Not sure what you don't understand...I don't believe you can calculate how a player effects scoring attempts/shots versus shots against.

 

Your sentence was poorly formed and lead to the further muddling of your point.

 

Shot based metrics are by no means perfect but they do contain plenty of useful, actionable information.

 

Tyler Bozak is almost certainly not even a 2nd line C.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Why don't you?

 

Too much of a variable IMO. If Bozak plays with Benn ( Dallas ) instead of Kessel does that make Bozak a better player in your eyes? It should since Benn is a top two way forward. You can't compare whatever Corsi is against a stat like WAR

[GD]

Too much of a variable IMO. If Bozak plays with Benn ( Dallas ) instead of Kessel does that make Bozak a better player in your eyes? It should since Benn is a top two way forward. You can't compare whatever Corsi is against a stat like WAR

 

Nor is anyone. I have no idea how many wins Tyler Bozak provides or, more likely, doesn't provide. But we can examine the proficiency at which he brings useful skills to the table. And I'm not sure I see where you're going with the Benn comment. Do you mean linemates influence Corsi? Sure, but like Nox said, there's still some solid info in there, and Corsi Relative, which is what I spoke of, compares him to his teammates.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Your sentence was poorly formed and lead to the further muddling of your point.

 

Shot based metrics are by no means perfect but they do contain plenty of useful, actionable information.

 

Tyler Bozak is almost certainly not even a 2nd line C.

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Like I have been saying from the start who are you comparing him too? Malkin, Datsyuk, Kesler?

 

On this team as it stands...he is not the problem at all!

 

A top center is arguably the hardest position to find, which I understand he is not.

[Nox]

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Like I have been saying from the start who are you comparing him too? .

 

Guys that make $4M.

 

He's awful and his getting top line minutes is absolutely a huge part of their problems.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Nor is anyone. I have no idea how many wins Tyler Bozak provides or, more likely, doesn't provide. But we can examine the proficiency at which he brings useful skills to the table. And I'm not sure I see where you're going with the Benn comment. Do you mean linemates influence Corsi? Sure, but like Nox said, there's still some solid info in there, and Corsi Relative, which is what I spoke of, compares him to his teammates.

 

Linemates influence it and the line they are against along with the depth.

 

Remember what I'm debating is putting Bozak in the same group as Clarkson, Robidas, Kadri etc

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Guys that make $4M.

 

He's awful and his getting top line minutes is absolutely a huge part of their problems.

 

Who else should be getting top line minutes at C????? Come on now. This is about the Leafs not how deep the top NHL teams are! With the media here you should be paid extra

[Nox]

Who else should be getting top line minutes at C?????

 

Almost anybody.

 

Just lol @ the media comment.

[Dylan]

This is the perfect year to tank

[burlingtonbandit]

Who else should be getting top line minutes at C????? Come on now. This is about the Leafs not how deep the top NHL teams are! With the media here you should be paid extra

 

Kadri would be the much better choice and I think most people would agree. Kadri isn't a 1st line C but he is the best one they have.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Feel free to look here http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/cap-hit/center/

 

Remember Bozak is 4.2 ( LW ) but plays center, and don't look down the list to find up and comers that's cheating. Hodgson, Laich, Backes, Marchard ( i like him ), Fisher, Hudler etc.

 

Relax with Bozak being the problem and a " garbage player "

[Nox]

This is the perfect year to tank

 

2.5% chance to bring Connor home.

 

http://www.danglefactory.com/projections/standings

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Kadri would be the much better choice and I think most people would agree. Kadri isn't a 1st line C but he is the best one they have.

 

Sure tell me which days he shows up and I would agree.

 

Kadri has tools to be something better. That is a longer process, maybe he is ready now however that doesn't take anything away from what Bozak has done for this team.

 

A good center is tough to find never mind a top one.