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Eh, he seems like a smart man and a distinguished gentleman to me. So In conclusion, now I feel I have to have Abreu on the team and will give up whatever it takes to get him! I think I would take that Urquidy- Abreu deal. Again, he would need to agree to ditch the wind up and I think he had a bad mustache as well. That’s gotta go. Make that trade, sign rodon and let’s f***ing go

Worth noting Astros have Diaz in minors as a catcher. Ripped up aa-aaa to a 898 ops last season. May not have that much interest in Jansen unless using Diaz as 1b as well

But even with that , here are the 2 players numbers last year (which of course a longer track record should be worth more) Romano - age 29 free agent after 2026. 2.11 era , 2.82 FIP, 1.01 WHIP, 10.3k/9 4.4m salary Abreu- age 25 free agent after 2027. 1.94 era, 2.12 FIP, 1.17 WHIP 13.1 k/9 Pre-arb salary

Oh I get that for mlbtv

I mean if ohtani leaves as a free agent next year, do you see them going into a rebuild? If so, trout gotta be on the move, no?

Sorry. First number is 2022 WAR (bbref), 2nd Is mlb trade values value. I’m asking if the inning pitched (leverage/saves) effects war as Abreu seems closer to Romano in value than stated via war

How much better is Romano than abreu though Romano 2.9 last year (mlbtv 30) Abreu 1.3 last year. (Mlbtv 11) That doesn’t seem like reality. Getting the save seems to boost this entirely too far. I’d think if you have Romano pitch the 8th and Abreu the 9th, you’d see the WAR flip-flop. I don’t think enough to get Jansen still even if you boost abreu up. I think a better pitcher than Urquidy should be included. Plus I can’t stand his wind up.

I’d just sign someone else for cheaper than 19m in this case or pony up for rodon preferably

Hot take alert- Springer and Kirk for ohtani lines up. Sign Nimmo to replace springer. If payroll doesn’t increase after a 20m increase this off-season- Would leave about 70m (minus arby raises, my rough estimate 23m ~ so about 47m) after next year to replace/resign ohtani, chapman, teo and LGJ. Coming off books - ohtani, chap, teo, lgj, ryu, springer, witt, grichuck. Coming on books - nimmo Keeps another year of the farm growing which should produce a few reinforcements for the departed.

Jansen (26.6) plus biggio(1) ~ 27 Urquidy (3.6) plus Abreu (11) ~ 14.6

My bad…hang on

I just feel Brantley will be here at some point. 35, lefty, of, ops decreasing 3 years in a row but still 785 last year in injury year, cleveland ties, almost here before, springers friend, veteran , shouldn’t be expensive or long term. Fwiw from baseball trade values-Here are some trades people had suggested that the site grades as near equal value. See if any peak your fancy. Kirk, tiedemann, teo, Kikuchi for ohtani. Jansen and toman for turnbull and haase (tigers) Tiedemann and espinal for Cedrick Mullins Kirk for Pablo lopez Espinal for Ian Happ Jansen for karinchak and curry (Cleve) Moreno for Reynolds (Pitt) Jansen and lgj for Carlson and matz (stl) Moreno for gallen (Ariz) Moreno for. Bieber. (C leve) Moreno and Orelvis for Burnes (mil) Jansen for Mitchell (mil) I also plugged in the suggested trade with Astros being discussed and they see it very lopsided; Kirk (39) plus biggio(1) ~ 40 Urquidy (3.6) plus Abreu (11) ~ 14.6

I feel like SP5 is spoken for between Kikuchi and white so I don’t think 2 will be brought in. Hopefully someone of higher quality than the stripling, Quintana, Heaney, Tijuan Walker variety. Even they would take up A majority of 15-20m to spend though. I also don’t see a catcher traded for a bullpen arm. So maybe trade a catcher for a sp and sign 2 bullpen arms. Punt Richards (even though I like him but he doesn’t have options) and start pop in AAA. Doesn’t feel like a big enough off-season tho does it?

It’s easy to say “let’s improve the outfield, the sp and get a few late inning rp,” but how much money will there to do so? Over/under 15m to spend or 20 if you cut Tapia?? Id be pumped if it were more than that but that is what I’m prepared for.

This is how I see it as well. I’d dedicate dollars to sp if funds are limited. Internal options are on the way and the bp will be sufficiently deep and good next year as they were the last 2 months of the regular season. Misusing mayza and bass and Romano having a bad outing isn’t going to cloud my opinion of the bp. High floor. Richards and Cimber handle lhp quite well. Who would be content with an off-season merely of signing rodon and trading a catcher? (I’d cut tapia as well).

Long overdue. For strip as a FA, I’m at 2/18 or 1/11 for strip at this point but still time to increase that . Tijuan Walker took 3/23. How bout you?

From another site - Here are the mid season report cards. As a reminder each year I look at the top prospects and mark them on a three point scale. Have they improved their prospect standing, have they become a worse or lower ranked prospect or are they about there they started the season. The old baseball maxim is that one third of your prospects should get better, one third should be worse and one third stay about the same. That's what we are looking for. One note, I wrote these over the the last few days so some of the stats might be a day or so behind. On to the report cards.... Gabriel Moreno Moreno was the #1 prospect so for him to have reached the major leagues and performed well was to be expected. I think its too early to tell how good he will be so I will say he has stayed as expected for now. Orelvis Martinez We all know Orelvis got the unexpected promotion to AA. And we know that he has hit some home runs but he hasn't hit for average. Some say its expected for a 22 year old in AA but when I look at the numbers I see no progression. His June was his worst hitting month of the season and his K rate in June was worse than May, but better than April. He walked fewer times in June than he did in May. I will generously give him a stayed as expected but it could have been worse. When the Jays assigned him there in April we assumed they knew he could handle it. Well he hasn't really so far, other than hit home runs. Jordan Groshans The knock on Groshans coming into 2022 was his lack of power. That hasn't been fixed. In 86 June at-bats Groshans had three extra base hits, all doubles. After a hot start in May and a .879 OPS, Groshans had a .557 OPS in June. July hasn't improved his numbers. If he was hitting over .300 with little power that would be interesting, but to be hitting .270 with no power is not good enough. Its definitely a worse than expected for me. Otto Lopez Lopez got his major league promotion this season but it was out of major league necessity rather than an earned promotion. In fact Lopez has underwhelmed with the bat this season and he has only shown signs of life recently. It's another worse from me. Leonardo Jimenez Jimenez moved up the top 30 list based off a .315 batting average and a .517 OBP in Dunedin last season. This year, in Vancouver, those numbers are a .227 BA and a .335 OBP His strikeouts are almost the same as Dunedin last season but his walks are down by around 60%. You have to hit your way to the major leagues and so far this season Jimenez is not doing that. "Worse". Samad Taylor Taylor started the season hot with an OPS of .885 in April. That declined to .749 in May and .692 in June. Taylor hits reasonably well, he controls the strike zone reasonably well and he has decent pop. But none of those tools has major league quality written all over it. He is still just 23 years old, in AAA, so he has time but some of those skills need to take a step up. He has improved his strikeout rate from last season in AA but Keith Law has noted that strikeouts are down in AAA for some reason so I don't know if that change is something to get excited about. I will give Taylor a stayed as expected. Adam Kloffenstein Adam Kloffenstein pitched reasonably well in Vancouver and received a promotion to New Hampshire. Kloff always has lots of baserunners, his WHIP in Vancouver was 1.46 and it is 1.79 so far in New Hampshire. Kloff needs to cut down on his walks and reduce his hits allowed. Kloff is 21 in AA which is very good but he needs to work on improving his pitches to keep the hitters off balance. I am between worse than expected and stays as expected. Lets call it stays as expected. Manuel Beltre Beltre is hitting .225 in the FCL this season, coincidentally the same as he hit in the DSL last year. As one of the Jays top international signings there was some expectation that Beltre could start with Dunedin this season, but he was placed in the FCL. Everyone in the FCL is young enough to develop further but Beltre's bat needs to get going. Worse than expected. Ricky Tiedemann Tiedemann has been the star of the system so far in 2022. He has dominated Dunedin and Vancouver and will probably be in New Hampshire before the end of July. Much better than expected. CJ Van Eyk We knew Van Eyk was headed for the IL when the prospect list was prepared so he is a stay as is. Estivan Machado Machado missed nearly all of last season so he got an early season mulligan. Unfortunately he hit .203 in June and is hitting .255 for the season. He has a 30% K rate. He is still just 19 so he has time but for now he is worse than expected. Miguel Hiraldo Hiraldo hit just .249 in Dunedin last season but stayed on the top 30 due to his age, 20 then, and his signing status. Nevertheless he was promoted to Vancouver where he is hitting .206. His prospect days are over, for now at least. Worse than expected. Irv Carter Carter has had a rough start to his pro career, he has an 8.59 ERA in the FCL. As a high school pick he has lots of time to get right, but the start has been uninspiring. "Worse" Sem Robberse Robberse has generally pitched well for Vancouver in 12 starts. He limits hard contact and manages the game well. His strikeouts are less than you would expect, 51 in 63 innings and his June wasn't good but you never know what a pitcher is working on. Robberse is still 20 so I will say he has been better than expected. Rikelbin De Castro De Castro just hasn't been able to get going and is hitting under .150 in Dunedin with a 40% strikeout rate. "Worse" Adrian Hernandez It just took three games in New Hampshire for the Jays to realise Hernandez belongs in AAA. In 18 games he has a 1.80 ERA. He has 28 strikeouts in 20 innings. The only knock against Hernandez is his tendency to give up home runs. If he misses his spot the change up is hittable. Still, that's a small issue right now. Better than expected. Victor Mesia Mesia was assigned to Dunedin to start the season but after hitting .064 in April he returned to the complex. He has hit a little better in the FCL, his average is .241. Overall though he is repeating the FCL which is disappointing for the 19 year old. Worse than expected. Chad Dallas Dallas has made 12 starts for Vancouver. He had a great April but hasn't been great in May or June. He has pitched to a five plus ERA in the last two months and has a WHIP near two. He has work to do, worse than expected. Tanner Morris Morris is known for his eye at the plate He hit .312 in New Hampshire and walked the same number of times as he struck out. That gave him a .430 OBP to add to a .468 slugging. He is now in AAA but hasn't found his feet there yet. Better than expected. Joey Murray Murray returned briefly and is now listed as being out for the full season. It will be hard to put him on a prospect list this coming off season. "Worse" Eric Pardinho Like Murray Pardinho is coming back from injury and he has returned very slowly. He has pitched just five innings so far this season and there are reports that his velocity is down. He has to be worse than expected. Chavez Young Young was injured to start the season so has a limited number of at-bats. So far the average or the power is not there. Young is a switch hitter and continues to hit better as a left handed hitter. If he wants to reach the majors he might have to drop the switch hitting. Worse than expected. Spencer Horwitz Horwitz got off to a slow start and his average was down to .227 on May 10th. By the time he left New Hampshire on Sunday his average was up to .297. Horwitz was not on all top prospect lists this off season, he was a 24th round pick and plays first base so the bar is high. He reminds me of Kevin Pillar in that he just keeps hitting. Better than expected. Hagen Danner Danner pitched in four games before hitting the IL. The IL stay is unfortunate but not unexpected after his first year of pitching last season. If we assume Danner will be back for some of the season I will put him as a stay as expected. Luis Quinones Quinones started the season on the IL and as a result has just appeared in seven games for New Hampshire. In those games he has not pitched as well as he did last season, specifically his K rate is down. Quinones has always walked too many hitters and that continues. He has walked 20 in 24 AA innings this season. I will say as expected for a #29 prospect. Trent Palmer Palmer made six starts in Vancouver before getting bumped up to New Hampshire. He hasn't missed a beat and arguably has pitched better in AA. Palmer might be headed for a major league bullpen but this season has been promising. Better than expected for a #30 prospect. Gunnar Hoglund, Kevin Smith, Zach Logue and Josh Palacios were on the Batters Box top 30 but all are elsewhere now. Of the remaining 26 my mid season report cards say six players are better, seven have stayed as expected and 13 are worse than expected. The six improvers in some order are Ricky Tiedemann, Adrian Hernandez, Spencer Horwitz, Sem Robberse, Tanner Morris and Trent Palmer. Players outside the top 30 who could make their way onto this years list are listed below. It's interesting to see that there are few hitters who are stepping up but there are several pitchers doing well. Gabriel Martinez who was off to a very hot start before his wrist was fractured by a pitch. Addison Barger has hit well for Vancouver and cut down on his strikeouts from 2021. Damiano Palmegiani recently joined Vancouver and has hit well so far. Dahian Santos who has a great K rate but could be ultimately a reliever. Matt Svanson and Trenton Wallace are pitching well in Dunedin, Nick Frasso and Nick Fraze are also pitching well this season. Hayden Juenger has been throwing a limited number of innings in AA, generally three innings per start, but he has pitched well. Yosver Zulueta started in Dunedin, pitched well in Vancouver and has just started in New Hampshire. He is definitely one to watch in the second half.

Grow up dude

Well said dummy.

It’s twice a day that a broken clock is right so maybe junior has one more in him

Forgive him, most people have you on ignore

My take as well. Saves 25 pct of grichuk salary (and gets 2 players) to trade tapia and his negative 4 degree launch angle

I think I would have rather held onto grichuk rather than save 5m. I’m left feeling we were gonna make one more upgrade before opening day. Expanded playoff field should result in less trade partners/sellers at the deadline. I think our Bp is underrated but I would have taken a power arm there and punted borucki and Phelps although that would impede the aaa-mlb reliever shuttle at least until merryweather gets hurt.

3 point zing

What’s the sleeping arrangements?