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Look what Kevin Cash is doing with the Rays. Cash was the one who fixed Carrasco in Cleveland, and suggested the Indians get Gomes from the Jays. That team that some predicted to fail will probably win the division with worse injuries than the Jays. No wonder this franchise sucks. We have people willing to look stupid to defend John f'n Gibbons, when other teams hire managers that make players better.

Well he almost traded for Peavy the same way he could have traded for Ervin, so he was at least thinking about doing something like that. Cant change the past but still don't blame Rogers for that off-season. Like I said, JP was given money when he wasn't ready to spend it and he at least overpaid for free agents. That's more sensible. As far as Kenny Williams, if he is prez, he likely won't be GM. Depends on who he hires. My money is still on Doug Melvin. Because Canada.

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I literally unfollowed him after that Tweet. I hope it was the fake Wilner too. No one should be paid to follow baseball and write s*** like that.

When Rogers told Ricciardi to spend money, he signed Burnett, Ryan, and Molina. The only prospects he traded were Zach Jackson (ranked 6th in Jays system by Sickels in 2005) and Gross (ranked 12th by Sickels in 2005). He traded Hudson for Glaus (Hill outperformed Hudson that year so it was a great trade), and Bush for Overbay (poor trade since Bush way outperformed Overbay). Regardless, JP did not trade his best prospects. Unfortunately JPR could not draft very well so his best prospects were middling anyway, but still. He could have traded Rios, McGowan, League, and some of the upside talent he inherited, but he didn't. AA went the exact opposite direction. He could have swallowed up Santana's contract like the Royals did ($13m) but chose not to. He could have signed Bartolo Colon who signed with Oakland for peanuts after his suspension. He could have done a lot of things that didn't involve gutting the farm. He didn't have to sign the best FA's out there, just load the team with vets that could improve short-term and then letting the youngsters put them over the top in the years following. JP as GM and AA's scouting team handling the farm system would have saved this organization. Unfortunately, the Jays couldn't combine the two aspects.

1992 Devon White: 93 wRC+ 2015 Kevin Pillar: 56 wRC+ You are expecting idiots like this to be objective?

Rogers is not the problem. If the Jays stayed the course after 2012, they would have been fine right now with the influx of young talent. If Rogers forced them to spend money that off-season to build a winner, then sign free agents. Don't trade all your damn prospects for old players with free agent contracts. That's on stupid ass Alex, not ownership. Rogers can't be blamed for this mess. They didn't force the Miami/Dickey trade. They didn't force Gibbons coming back. They didn't force Pete Walker as pitching coach. When the GM does s***** things, expect s*** to happen.

Yeah that's all he can do. Does anyone really want him making moves at this point? He did great getting Donaldson and Travis, but Fatty knows his time is close to being up. No need to throw in another stupid move to add to the list of stupid moves he's already done in desperation.

Trade Hutchison during his arbitration years. With three years of control left, if he finishes this season strong, he should have good value. I'm not sure his arm is going to hold up due to the workload he's had after surgery. Too many innings on an arm that never pitched a lot of innings to begin with. If they are giving up for 2016, then Bautista, Edwin, Hutchison, and Cecil are the ones I trade. I would have included Saunders but he'd be worth nothing now. Might as well keep him and hope he bounces back in 2016 before trading him at the deadline.

The Nats could use one of them. Not sure who they'd give up, though.

The sad part is if we never lucked into them, the team might be better off right now. They clearly wanted to rebuild in 2010 (seriously, look at that roster before Bautista went beast mode). Maybe ownership would have been kinder to a long-term rebuild if the team was terrible, rather than .500 or better for AA's first two years. But yes, AA is really, really bad for not being to build a winner when two of the best hitters in the game fell on his lap in a time when offense around the league is down. Can't wait until he is gone.

Toronto has the longest playoff drought in baseball (sports?), is in another country, plays on turf, and has hitter friendly stadium. Hamels has no reason to waive his NTC, especially since a better organization (Boston?) may get desperate a trade for him instead. As much as we all love the Jays, they have been a s*** franchise for too many years to get the benefit of the doubt with players.

s***** lineup and one sided pitching matchup. Jays got this.

That's why you develop talent instead of trading it for expensive veterans with backloaded free agent contracts.

I'm surprised they didn't have Travis bat left handed to see if he can play through it.

A bad manager makes a difference. A good manager makes a difference. Gibbons is a bad one, hence, he makes a difference. To suggest anyone can sit there and the team would be exactly the same is crazy. Would all other managers use Navarro at DH? Use Castro in every high leverage spot imaginable for the first month of the season? Pull starters at the wrong times consistently? Gibbons has been awful this year, and that's pretty much a universal opinion as opposed to previous years where people seemed to swing from his nuts like he was some sort of genius (which is f***ing insane). We had the best pitching in baseball in 2008 and it took Cito taking over for the team to finish 4th in the division. Gibbons has had pitching before and completely squandered it. Dude would never get another shot in this role anywhere else and he's gotten two here. Let someone else manage. Farrell managed a team that started Jo Jo Reyes 20 times to a .500 record. If it doesn't take much to get a talented team to play well, then why not just hire anyone else rather than keep watching the same guy underachieve with an expensive roster every time he's given a chance to manage?

People have repeatedly brought up reasons why Gibbons has been awful. Your responses are nothing but insults or blaming everyone other than Gibbons. Yeah, you're not the bright one here, despite what you seem to think.

To the people who don't think Gibbons is a problem, what games have you been watching this season? He's been worse than usual, and his usual is trash. Alex is a bigger problem, but Gibbons has always been one.

Could Williams and whoever he hires as GM really be any worse than AA/Beeston have been since the winter of 2012?

"The best manager in Jays history" does it again.

They might as well keep them. Gives the new GM one year to see if he can construct a roster around Bautista/Donaldson/Edwin/Martin with some payroll flexibility. It won't be easy since they'll need at least 2-3 starting pitchers, but we don't need an Astros style rebuilding. Keep trying to win every year.

So when is Hoffman going to reach the bigs? June or July?

In his last run, the only rookie he "ruined" was Snider (who still hasn't panned out). Bautista's turnaround was in some part due to Gaston's coaching. Lind panned out under Cito. Romero panned out under Cito. Marcum came back from Tommy John Surgery and pitched well under Cito. Morrow had a very good RP to SP transition under Cito. Cecil had his best season as a starter under Cito. And so on. He didn't ruin young players in his 2nd stint, even if he did have moments of stupidity (Millar, Tallet, etc). Cito from 2008-10 was world's better than Gibbons. Cito from 95-97 was pretty bad, though. I'd easily rate Gibbons in the running for worst manager in Jays history, alongside Farrell and Buck.

How many mistakes does Gibbons have to make for you to concede that he's not good? He's made so many this season that it's hard to keep track of which one is the worst.

If they fire Gibbons before the end of May, the team will go on a huge run to make the playoffs with DeMarlo Hale. Yes, I'm going to keep repeating it. FYSMC.