TwistedLogic

Unless Zehner acts like a bitch and doesn't sign. That will f*** the Jays pretty hard because thats 200K of slot gone. Those senior punts should never be a question, and they should always be slam-dunk signs -- which is why I'm hoping it's just a rumor and the guy isn't about the screw the Jays out of a significant piece of their budget.

Chris Sale on Advanced Stats: “All I know I’ve got to do is give up less runs than we score,” Sale said. “I don’t care about anything else. Not the numbers. Not the ISPFMLBLSSRs and whatever else Brian Kenny has come up with to define what makes a good player or not.” Reminded the numbers love him, Sale said: “I don’t love them back.” FanGraphs commenters: http://i.gyazo.com/5899f92530daba5d02dd0f58eed0b5d2.png http://i.gyazo.com/4bc283f91fe624fdcf25bfb921c032a4.png

Yes. It is outrageous. A pitcher like Dickey is NEVER worth two top 30 MLB prospects. You're not getting a Cy Young award winner, the Mets got the Cy Young award winner. You're paying a premium for a 38 year old that just had the best season of his life and expecting him to repeat, without regressing an inch. That's a horrible trade. There should be plenty of other trade options when you're giving up two prospects that are as highly-touted as Syndergaard and d'Arnaud were, and if there are no other options and Dickey is the ceiling, then you pass on it. And you do that so that when you have the option to trade for a pitcher like Shields or Samardzija, you can afford it.

Already posted that yesterday http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/3057-2014-Blue-Jays-Draft-Signings-Bonuses-and-Rumors-Thread?p=315780&viewfull=1#post315780

I didn't want to jinx it but this is exactly what I thought he'd sign for. Excellent. I think when all is said and done, Foley was locked up for a lot less than people expected him to get, and Pentecost and Hoffman will cost a lot more than people expect. I feel like they'll both be at or slightly below slot. I hope I'm wrong on that and they have a ton of budget left over after the big three.

Rangers wouldn't give him up, but if they did, I'd flip the f*** out. Still, you've got to be wary of trading with Daniels. I'd be more afraid of him in a trade than Friedman.

It doesn't matter how poor Syndergaard and d'Arnaud end up being, they can both be sub-replacement scrubs for the rest of their careers, the Dickey trade is still atrocious because of what you gave up at the time. And it doesn't matter how good Alvarez pitches and if he ends up winning back-to-back Cy Youngs, in my eyes, the Marlins trade is still defensible on multiple fronts. People need to start looking at things objectively and ditch the retrospect. All the hindsight heroes that were raging about how losing Escobar was one of the worst things the Jays ever did are suddenly very quiet now that Escobar's playing at replacement level and Reyes is quickly catching up to the value that he provided the Rays. People can say whatever they want about what prospects were given up and how the franchise hamstrung itself with big contracts. The truth of the matter is that the franchise was not adding significant payroll in the first place, so the additions those contracts don't have any bearing on the payroll flexibility of the team. People act like if they didn't make that trade, they would have used that 50M aav somewhere else. No. It would have been just as tight at 90M as it is now at 130M. Jays tried to get Anibal Sanchez, failed, and went after Josh Johnson instead. Nobody can say they didn't try, free agents just don't want to come here, and the Jays did the next best thing they could. That's it.

So do I. Don't care how sharp people's hindsight is, I marked the f*** out over that trade and I'm man enough to admit that. Alvarez sucked here and Nicolino was always lower on the totem pole than the other two. Sure I always thought it was annoying that they had to throw in DeSclafani (same way I feel about Becerra in the Mets trade), and it was idiotic to let go of Escobar, but if ownership was forcing you to move Escobar, it might as well be in the trade that brings you Reyes. I f***ing hate the Dickey trade and I always have, but I still make the Marlins one.

Fairservice is actually pretty hilarious, the quote I wrote down takes a lot away from the tone in which he said that stuff. He's not as big a douche as he came off in that. And he's the guy that runs TheScore's "Getting Blanked" blog, the way Stoeten runs DJF. He doesn't know anything about this place, he was just going off of what Stoeten said. Here's the clip for clarity: Forward to exactly 29:00.

-talking about how much Jays fans whine about everything, and how much more they would whine if the Jays traded Sanchez and Stroman for Shields- Andrew Stoeten: Go to that message board. Look at some of the f***ing garbage they're talking about. Drew Fairservice: Uh, which message board? Andrew Stoeten: Blue Jays Message Board.. thing. Drew Fairservice: Is that the real thing? You think I'm going to take my valuable f***ing time out of my life to do that? Andrew Stoeten: There's some sharp people on there. Drew Fairservice: Yeah? Andrew Stoeten: But it's just mostly a hot pile of garbage. Drew Fairservice: Sounds like real life. Andrew Stoeten: Yep. Drew Fairservice: -laughs-

LOL so I'm laying here with my iPad listening to the Drunk Jays Fans Podcast to try to put myself to sleep, and Stoeten mentions this board. Did not have very nice things to say.

I contemplated on if this was thread-worthy or not. It is. If you're one of those people that likes to ridicule and mock Ruben Amaro Jr. and his front office (so basically, if you're a breathing baseball fan outside of Philadelphia), you just got a lot more flame for your fire: Report: Phillies accidentally traded prospect in 2011 Hunter Pence deal By Dayn Perry | Baseball Writer June 6, 2014 11:31 pm ET http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/Domingo-Santana-Astros-Phillies-trade-060614.jpg How did the Astros come to acquire Domingo Santana? Well ... (USATSI) At this writing, Astros outfield prospect Domingo Santana is batting .297/.374/.493 as a 21-year-old in Triple-A. That good production comes after a 2013 campaign in which he slugged .498 with 25 homers as a 20-year-old in Double-A. In other words, Santana is becoming a potentially important part of Houston's rebuild. The Astros acquired Santana as part of the 2011 trade in which they sent Hunter Pence to the Phillies. Houston also landed Jon Singleton and Jarred Cosart in that same deal. So it's turning out to be pretty costly for the Phils and GM Ruben Amaro. Why are we talking about this trade almost three years later? Well, here's this most interesting recent nugget from Jose de Jesus Ortiz of the Houston Chronicle ... Less than two months after they picked George Springer from the University of Connecticut, the Astros sent Pence and cash to the Phillies on July 29, 2011, for Cosart, Singleton, Zeid and a player to be named, which ended up being Santana. In spring training, a Phillies official admitted that Santana wasn't actually supposed to be on the list that was given to the Astros to pick from to satisfy the final piece on Aug. 15, 2011. Woof. So, by virtue of front-office oversight or clerical error or a game of telephone, Santana wound up on the list of players from which the Astros could choose the final piece of their haul. As Ortiz writes, he wasn't supposed to be on that list. He was, subsequently and wisely, chosen by the Astros. That's ... remarkable. The Phillies, you see, are quite possibly not a well run organization these days. So the people who hate on AA, always remember one thing: "At least he's not RAJ".

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Blue Jays Message Board over the course of a single at-bat: http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Robert-DeNiro-Laughing-Awards-Ceremony.gif

You're right people do have the right to feel the way they want. And if they feel that f***ing miserable over trivial micro-events in a sport that can have a billion different outcomes over the course of the season, they should keep it to themselves and not project it onto everybody else. I understand being frustrated, and that is even a healthy reaction to a point, but when healthy people are already feeling frustrated over whats happening in the game, and they have these raging f***ing lunatics flipping the switch on their sanity in every GDT on top it, it makes everybody feel worse and brings the mood of the collective group down. If a stranger sifted through this thread, the last conclusion that they would ever come up with was that this game resulted in a win. The way people act on here, if they genuinely feel that much anger in real life when they're making those comments, it's so f***ing unhealthy for you, it's unreal. At the end of the day, people aren't going to change their behavior over what I, or Stan, or Chappy or any other sane person says on the matter. But for your own sake, if this game brings that much stress on you, then take a damn breather.

This is the biggest cop out ******** ever, and I hear Jays fans use this garbage every time they get called out. Saying "f***ing loser" and "f*** off Pillar" about a guy before the at-bat is even over? I don't know what you call that, but it sure as f*** isn't "passion". It's f***ing weird that people are even this emotionally invested in a sport in the first place, and beyond that, that they treat it like some sort of redneck abusive relationship. You are NOT going to get everything you want out of a baseball season, the best teams in the world will lose a third of their games, and even the best hitting performance in history would result in a batter failing at least 50% of the time. If people can't handle that, in a 162 game season, then they should give up and find a new sport, or ease the f*** up before they give themselves a heart attack.

Yes I have. During their entire ten game losing streak, SoSH wasn't a fifth of the trash fest that this board is when someone messes up a play. I never heard them cuss out, belittle and wish ill on their players anywhere near as much as the people here do. It's a genuine disgrace. If this isn't the worst place ever when someone on the team f***s up, then its 2nd behind the morons at Orioles Hangout. People expect a perfect game, 9 gold glovers and a hit at every at-bat in every single game.

You guys are f***ing losers, straight up.

To be honest, most of the fans here don't deserve to see a winning team, this fan base is a f***ing cess pool. I've read so many boards for other teams and I've never seen a more reactionary and more bipolar group of people in my life. It's f***ing insane how much the mood changes based on each pitch, each at-bat and each play. You guys need to chill the f*** out. It doesn't matter how good a team is, there's going to be highs and there's going to be lows, and if you can't handle those lows, then do yourself and your blood pressure a favor and turn off the game.

Nice. After all of the dumbf*** trolls that pass through here like Metallijay and Zee, and all the raging and bs that has ever been said here, this board still manages to consistently find new lows. Well done.

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Did Buck just call Transformers "The Terminators"?

I'd rather see the Jays get 26 straight outs on bunt-fouls than see another god forsaken ground out. Stahp.

Only a moron could "completely" waste their time on a piece like that, because anyone with half a wit would know whether or not it's something that entertains them after the first paragraph. So you either read the whole thing, at which point the only person to blame for that "wasted time" is you, and I'd wonder why exactly you kept reading, or you're implying that your life is busy and occupied enough that even reading that first, small satirical blurb about Brady Aiken was enough to "waste your time". Which, let's face it, is just not true, because if it was, you wouldn't actually have the time to voice your displeasure about it on a forum. So uhh.. congratulations on forcing yourself to sit and read through a fairly long piece of writing, that at no point entertained you, but for whatever reason, kept you reading.

Someone needs to start dropping some f***ing numbers. Did it take this long last year to find out just how much guys were signing for?

I found that thread when I was googling the names of the UFA's we signed, so I was looking through it today and I noticed that he had posted that Latz article I found. Thought it was weird since it was such a small-time news site, but when I saw it was posted 30 minutes before my own post, I thought it was just a coincidence. ...Then I realized that their default board time zone is not EST. When I signed up for an account and switched it to EST, I realized that it was posted there half an hour after it got posted here. Scrolled through and found everything we've been posting (tweets, articles, etc) gets re-posted 20-30 minutes later, mostly by the same guy. Boxy is right though. Look at this post someone just made: http://i.gyazo.com/9e85453950a453c722fc05a466f973ad.png I don't use this word often, but I legit cringed. That's what I thought, but I couldn't figure out who it might be.