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Wouldn't Occam's razor object to sabremetrics?

(H + BB + HBP + ER) * 9 / IP = X ||| X * BABIP = stat. Am I getting closer? Also, I don't like how xFIP uses an "average" HR rate, the pitchers actual HR rate would be better. Dickey's home run rate for the Jays is higher than the average home run rate around the league, so I'd rather know what his ERA "should" look like playing for Toronto. Not as if he was playing for all 30 clubs and playing the same amount of time in every stadium. He's plays for Toronto, therefore he will give up more home runs due to the park. I think every stadiums home run/fly ball ratio should be taken into account, and not just a league average. SkyDome ratio * 81 + Yankee Stadium ratio * (number of games) + Fenway ratio * (number of games) + etc, etc, / number of projected starts (or something like that). I don't have time to do the math here, but I think if you take into account the games on a particular schedule, and use that home run / fly ball ratio, you'll see a better projection.

And Cabrera still wins.

Baseball and certain substances mix well. By the way, I guarantee MVP's are determined by this; Popular Stat Results + Team Win/Loss % * Games Played / Sportswriters thoughts on Sabres.

Cabrera = more hits, more doubles, more home runs, more rbi's, better average, better slugging, better ops, less SO. Trout = more runs, more triples, more steals, better obp, more walks. 8 - 5 at my count. 8-6 if you count dWar. Still, Cabrera wins.

Thread = Agree to disagree.

Sure, it "measures" results. I just feel like hits, walks, and earned runs are the most important pitching stats. strikeouts are good too, but that's factored in by being a non-hit.

Kershaw with a "stat' of 9.46 is what I want to talk about. That is ridiculous. Cy Young hands down. Those are his results, and not his projected results.

Ok I can't if I'm trolling right now, but groundball rates and fly outs are luck because the hitter still has to swing the bat at the right time and location. And the pitcher has nothing to do with that. It's like when a pitcher throws it right down the plate, and the hitter fouls it straight back. LUCK! But a hit is a hit. Sometimes I feel like baseball players should be injected with a computer scouting report chip, and they just instinctively know the perfect place to field, hit and pitch at all times. And then luck wouldn't be a factor.

By the way, I'm glad I started this mess.

ERA isn't a great stat. A guy could walk 3 guys, and his fielders get a triple play. No ERA's. But an awful inning.

The Blue jays seriously lack TWTW.

It shows that Jeff Locke actually sucks.

There isn't an equivalent OPS stat for pitchers that's widely used. I still don't think TB should be used, cause the pitcher can't control that. A hit given up, is a hit given up. And yes, a walk is as bad as a hit.

I could change it to TB (Allowed) + BB + ER *9 / IP The first stat just showed that a pitcher cannot control a 1B or a 2B through his pitches alone. A homerun counts towards a ER. So yeah, a pitcher can't control whether a guy hits a single or a triple through his pitches. A hit is a hit. And if it goes around to score, its a ER, which is factored in.

I brought this on myself for doing a little thinking on my own but I would love to read that essay. Just because mine doesn't look like an ERA stat, doesn't mean, it doesn't mean anything at all. It puts hits, earned runs, and walks into a simple number. Steve Delabar has a higher number because he will walk a ton of guys, and get out of the jam with strikeouts. And it'll come back to bite him. Which it did recently.

FIP and xFIP is the should've, could've stat. It's not real. It's a team game after all.

I find the majority of people will look at you with dead eyes when you try to explain xFIP or FIP and they lose interest half way through your explanation. Which is why it'll never become a stat the majority of people look too.

So I am watching the game today, and thought about how people hate win/loss records and era because it doesn't really reflect how well a pitcher is pitching, blah blah blah. So here is the stat I came up with. H + ER + BB *9 / IP Pretty easy right? But I haven't seen it anywhere. Blue Jays Pitching Effectiveness (as of August 20 2013) Starters RA Dickey - 16.04 Mark Buehrle - 16.19 Josh Johnson - 21.14 Brandon Morrow - 19.05 JA Happ - 18.06 Esmil Rogers - 18.56 Todd Redmond - 13.29 Ramon Ortiz - 22.03 Chien-Ming Wang - 23.63 Chad Jenkins - 16.80 Ricky Romero - 37.41 Aaron Laffey - 30.34 Sean Nolin - 94.74 Relievers Casey Janssen - 11.93 Aaron Loup - 12.61 Brett Cecil - 12.50 Steve Delabar - 14.86 Darren Oliver - 15.68 Juan Perez - 14.49 Brad Lincoln - 15.43 Neil Wagner - 14.12 Dustin McGowan - 13.24 Sergio Santos - 11.68 Edgar Gonzalez - 23.63 Thad Weber - 18.00 Mickey Storey - 22.50 Dave Bush - 33.00 Justin Germano - 36.00 Jeremy Jeffress - 36.00 Top 10 AL ERA Leaders Hiroki Kuroda - 11.90 Anibal Sanchez - 12.65 Felix Hernandez - 12.54 Yu Darvish - 11.91 Chris Sale - 12.41 Max Scherzer - 10.91 Derek Holland - 14.04 Hisashi Iwakuma - 11.95 Bartolo Colon - 13.65 Ervin Santana - 13.31 Top 10 NL ERA Leaders Clayton Kershaw - 9.46 Matt Harvey - 10.28 Jose Fernandez - 11.62 Patrick Corbin - 11.65 Adam Wainwright - 12.05 Madison Bumgarner - 11.98 Jeff Locke - 14.82 Stephan Strasburg - 12.46 Hyun-Jin Ryu - 13.93 Julio Terheran - 13.59 Masahiro Tanaka - 9.40 Kenta Maeda - 10.40 Chihiro Kaneko - 10.78 Our pitching sucks, and Kershaw is awesome. Also, sign Tanaka please.

Beede to Miami.

Brett Lawrie.

The lack of video feeds I understand. But box scores, at least, would be nice.

Really wish the MiLB app showed all levels of minor league ball. Not just AA and AAA, the least interesting of the Jays minor system. There must be some legal issues there or something.

I played ball for a free co-ed league at Christie Pits, which is great for that, but for a semi-pro league? Not even close. Labatt Park in London is fantastic, a park similar to that somewhere in Toronto should exist. And that's too bad to hear about Canadian University Baseball. That's a shame.

So the Blue Jay in water is covered, but how's the manta ray supposed to do anything on land? May I suggest strapping mini uniforms on a couple Roosters and we have a good old fashioned cock fight on the pitchers mound?