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Oh s*** ya, I had a moment there and was thinking of Wacha. Even still a Goins--Wong DP should only happen in AAA Buffalo, that would be one of the worst MIF's in the MLB.

Goins is good but even he can't play 2B and SS! hahaha

Honestly no thanks. I would try to move Reyes to the Cards for pitching + Tavares and Bautista to Tex for a Profar package. Without a SS coming back TOR's way there is no way I move Reyes, there simply isn't enough MIF depth in the org to field a MLB team without him.

Martin had a good year. I wouldn't expect the same results in the AL East.

He's only signed through 2014 and Tony Sanchez is supposed to be the future. MArtin is one of my favourite catchers so I'd want him in any deal! haha

I wonder if you could even poach Russ Martin in the deal as well. Bautista for Hanson + Taillon + Martin would be great from the Jays side, might be too steep for Pitt to match.

I wouldn't be that interested in Glasnow. Swap in Heredia, Hanson, or Polanco and I'd pull the trigger.

Ya, sorry I misread your original post. Either way you are confusing a hit with a ball in play, they are very different things.

Edwin's career zone stats through 2013; [TABLE=class: rgMasterTable, width: 978] [TR] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Season[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray]Team[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]O-Swing%[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]Z-Swing%[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]Swing%[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]O-Contact%[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]Z-Contact%[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]Contact%[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]Zone%[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]F-Strike%[/TH] [TH=class: rgHeader, bgcolor: gray, align: right]SwStr%[/TH] [/TR] [TR=class: rgRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2005[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Reds[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]23.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]67.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]44.7 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]44.8 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]87.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]75.7 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]48.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]56.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]10.6 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgAltRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2006[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Reds[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]20.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]69.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]46.1 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]48.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]88.7 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]80.1 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]52.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]59.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.7 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2007[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Reds[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]27.8 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]73.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]51.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]57.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]88.8 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]80.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]51.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]58.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]9.8 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2008[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Reds[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]66.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]46.1 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]62.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]87.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]80.7 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]50.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]58.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.7 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgAltRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2009[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2 Teams[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]21.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]66.9 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]43.1 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]64.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]87.1 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]81.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]47.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]54.7 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]7.9 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgAltRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2010[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Blue Jays[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]30.5 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]69.8 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]48.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]68.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]90.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]82.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]46.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]64.9 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.3 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgAltRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2011[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Blue Jays[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]29.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]68.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]47.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]74.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]89.7 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]84.5 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]46.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]59.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]7.1 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgAltRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2012[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Blue Jays[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]24.5 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]62.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]41.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]72.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]87.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]82.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]45.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]55.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]7.2 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgAltRow] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]2013[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Blue Jays[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]26.0 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]63.1 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]41.9 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]74.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]90.3 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]84.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]42.9 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]59.9 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]6.3 %[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: rgRow grid_total, bgcolor: #E7E7E7] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]Total[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular]- - -[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]67.2 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]45.4 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]65.6 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]88.5 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]81.8 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]47.7 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]58.5 %[/TD] [TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.1 % [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Swung at more pitches in the zone than outside of it, made contact on more pitches inside the zone than outside of it. What part of that makes you think more hits are made inside the zone than outside of it? Consider that "hits" is a counting stat and more swings = more hits. Therefore the far greater number of swings on pitches inside the zone makes your premise false for a variety of painfully obvious reasons. "I can't even believe there's an argument.........There is no argument.Strikes are easier to hit than balls. Hits are better than walks. No??" Hits are better than walks but not making an out is most important. Some hits result in outs and you aren't even talking about hits as what swings actually produce is balls in play which, often result in outs. "Ok ,hypothetically, there's runners on first and second , two outs, LHP on the mound. Do you intentionally/unintentionally walk EE to get to..." Stupid question as it depends on a variety of factors like the inning and the score. Realist.

Doesn't help the Jays enough to win right now IMO. Glasnow is too far away and I'm not as high on Taillon as others around here (I have him as more of a 2/3 going forward). If Seattle would do it I would sen dJOse their way for Walker and Franklin though

Better chance at landing Chapman from the Reds (as a conversion project) IMO. I can't see STL trading Rosenthal unless you pay up as if he is a future starter (same with the Reds and Chapman) and that isn't a trade i would make with STL. Both do have the stuff to start though IMO.

Neil Walker the 2B, not Taijuan Walker who pitches for SEA... I wouldn't trade Bautista for that package though.

Of those packages Miller + Wong/Carpenter (doubtful it would be Miller + Carpenter) please

And what would you call that pathetic attempt at wit our king of comedy, judge of humour and holier-than-thou ass-hat?

They are becoming increasingly prevalent and it is due to the speed of the modern news cycle. Things are edited less than they used to be.

Given the amount of video watched and the number of adjustments made over the course of a major league season I believe most/all teams have already adjusted to Edwin's new consistency. There is no reason to believe that the opposition will change their approach against Edwin, unless a weakness is exposed mid-season.

They ere all bench players.

Even with just Sale coming this way what could the Jays really offer? IMO it'd be something like Sanchez/Stroman + Hutchison + some other less significant young pieces. In theory this may be approaching fair value for the Sox. However, young elite players locked up on team friendly deals are rarely traded and, when they are it is a sellers market. If The WSox were to shop Sale they would surely receive league-wide interest. They have no incentive to move Sale at this point and it would take a truly elite prospect, the type that the Jays do not possess, to land Sale. It just isn't going to happen.

The Jays already have Kawasaki and Goins, what do they need another 1 WAR 2B for?

Especially in the off-season! At least the Happ deal was mid-season!

Good point. The White Sox leak everything which is why we are hearing about these rumors. I am fully expecting AA to trade Sanchez+ for Danks. It just did his MO so well haha TBH though if I'm moving Sanchez/Stroman (let them pick) I'm asking for Sale back, not their mid-rotation guys.

I wouldn't even give them Pillar for Beckham as he is a BUST

Ya, it would just clear the deck to sign another starter but save ~$2M this season and ~$3M next.

Do you think Buehrle and a decent prospect could land us Kinsler? Perhaps a guy like Nolin... There would definitely have to be some salary coming back to Toronto for anyone to take Buehrle though. EDIT: I'm thinking more salary would have to be included by TEX to make this happen. Perhaps Kinsler + Berkman (RH platoon for Lind) for Buerhle, Janssen and Nolin is more reasonable. Considering that TEX has a $12M option for Berkman's 2014 season they may not consider that much value going the other way.

If you think Stroman can stick as a SP then there is literally no reason to not be all aboard the Carlos Martinez bandwagon. Same age, Martinez is taller, has less to prove and has overall better stuff.