saskjayfan

So you're saying you say a handful of people say Reece should have been pinch hit for when the options were Davis, Jansen and Espinal all right handed crappy hitters. You feel those handful of people represent the majority of the fanbase. That seems more anecdotal than scientific. I certainly wasn't calling for him to be pulled. If you want to give Charlie credit, give him credit for starting Reece 2 games in a row.

Red Sox lose!

Panik and Mcguire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

walk off walk....why not!

BO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quick outs....rain is going to get us.

Because he's not pitching well. Payamps would have 2 runners on if we pulled him when I wanted to!

I'd take him out now

Rowdy and Gurriel heating up!

Moreno will be 22 next year, Martin will be 23. Bo was 21 and Vlad was 20 when they made their debuts. If both Moreno and Martin are still doing well at AA a month from now move them up to AAA. If they continue to hit they could be early call ups next year. Danny needs to be looking over his shoulder next year. He's got 2 young kids really bringing it.

3 innings from the bullpen......I shouldn't be this anxious given how weak hitting the Marlins are.

The old New York..close enough we'll go with the umps call.

I was watching the Yankees thread on reddit when we played them and a Yankee fan posted he might be the best hitter in the league. The next poster responded and said for the next 10 years!

So nice to see some blue jays fans there. We finally have a home game.

Ray is looking electric tonight.

Most are mad that Jordon Romano who has reverse splits and is used to high leverage wasn't brought in instead of a rookie with control problems. Lefties have a career .474 OPS against Romano. Seems like a mistake to me, but I've learned coaches never make mistakes. Players just don't get it done. Good thing for Keefe.

I thought I was the belligerent one on the board..lol It's a good day for a Blue Jays win. Go Jays!

I'm not saying it never happens. I'm saying it's tough to do, especially when you extended him 3 months ago. You don't think Shatkins isn't questioning using Bergen instead of Romano to get one out? You think Shatkins isn't questioning walking 2 guys in the 10th to save 1 run, when you have your best hitters coming up in the bottom of the inning? You don't think Shatkins isn't questioning allowing a reliever to walk 4 straight batters without getting to strike 2 in any of those counts. You don't think Shatkins isn't questioning using Rowdy Tellez to pinch hit with no runners on down by 2 instead of the previous inning with 2 runners on. You are on a crusade to prove that Charlie has not made a single mistake. He has made mistakes. Behind the scenes I'm sure they are discussing and self evaluating in an effort to not ensure these mistakes don't happen moving forward. I'm sure they have their concerns about some of the in game decisions. They likely feel that through productive discourse and reviewing the situations that have occurred that Charlie and the staff will adjust moving forward. I'm not even advocating for Charlie to be fired at the present time. I just want him to be better.

It's extremely tough to remove a coach mid season. You have no idea what Shatkins is thinking. Maybe they do have come concerns.

Won't happen till the offseason if it does happen. I'm hoping we go on a run and there aren't any posts in this thread for 3 weeks!

What math are you talking about? There is no exact math. The one true mystery in baseball. Evaluating a manager. Would the blue jays record be 1, 2, 3, 4 games better with a different manager at this point? Who knows? What's the baseline? Many players are having good seasons. Maybe some of this is attributable to charlie and his staff. The positive not being thrown into the equation. Charlie isn't going anywhere. If I was Atkins, I would have a conversation with the staff discussing these key situations. There's almost irrefutable math that says walking 2 guys in extras like Montoyo did and bringing in Bergen instead of Romano were the wrong decisions. These mistakes can not continue to happen. I'm fine with mistakes. Everyone makes them. Maybe the reason some of the players are doing so well is on the coaching staff and this offsets some of these in game mistakes. If we clean up these in game mistakes we go from a neutral weight situation to a positive situation with our staff. We just need some self evaluation and we have to stop making the preventable mistakes. Learn and move on already.

Manager doesn't matter, manager doesn't matter! Charlie is really giving you guys a hard time. 1 reliever 5 walks. Did Charlie put his team in the best position to win? Chatwood's previous debacle, pulled and Bergen is brought in to get one out to win the game. A rookie lefty who had never been in that spot before. Was that the best guy for that spot? Jordan Romano has reverse splits. Lefties have a .474 OPS against him for his career batting .137. Did Charlie put his team in the best position to win? Tie game and Romano hadn't pitched in 3 days and goes 12 pitches striking out the side. You don't ask him to go a second inning. You bring in a rookie. We scored 2 in the bottom half after the rookie gave up 2. Would Romano have given up 2 runs? Did Charlie put his team in the best position to win? Extra innings runner on third one out tie game. We have the top of our lineup coming up with a runner starting out on 2nd too. Charlie intentionally walks not one, but 2 batters to load the bases with one out. When you're talking modern game theory and run expectation loading the bases tilted the odds in Tampa's favour. I was yelling at the TV when he was intentionally walking guys. These are the type of mistakes that just can't happen. Desperately trying to prevent that runner from third coming in when we had 3 chances with our best hitters to bring that same run in from second was ridiculous. Vlad hit a bomb in the bottom half and we lost by 2. 2 intentional walks. Did Charlie put the team in best position to win? We're not talking about a season's worth of instances. We're talking last week. There are plenty of questionable decisions earlier in the season. Bunting issues, player decisions. Is Charlie putting the team in the best position to win. There's no reliable way measure a manager's impact, so we just assume it doesn't matter? No matter how many examples there are that his decisions go against modern game theory that suggest an alternative decision gives you a greater probability to prevent or score runs? These situations are starting to add up.

We need to win 97 wins....Charlie can throw 5 or 6 away and we end up with 91 or 92 wins and hopefully a wild card. I feel like we can do it. Springer, Biggio back soon. Kirk in a month. Borucki coming back, hopefully Merryweather. We can make some additions at the trade deadline. Charlie isn't going anywhere. Wasting effort thinking about it does no one any good. Just believe we can overcome it. It's like thinking maybe they might let Romano pitch twice in one day when he's made 8 pitches in the last 5 days with day off tomorrow. Sure it was theoretically possible Romano could have been asked to get 2 outs in the second game, but it was never going to happen. Brining Romano out for a 2nd inning after throwing 12 pitches in a game you really need to win. Just not going to happen.

A couple bad outings just reminded us what he is. His fastball is still pretty electric. He's a 7th or 8th inning guy. If he's not on you can pull him. He'll get us some clean innings. Romano is the only guy I really trust at this point. Hurry back Merryweather!

I didn't realize the blue jays manager's job security was equivalent to that of government workers. It doesn't matter how much you screw up. Your job is safe!