I'm not reading the rest of your post because I'm getting off for awhile, but to answer the first part....ALL of them. My brother is a huge White Sox fan and Sale is his favorite player.
If you think this was a peak game for Sale there is no point in continuing to debate this. He didn't have a good fastball, missed his spots a lot, left more than a few balls up, and had a below avg slider today for what he usually has.
And you are saying world class Allstar hitters are just an afterthought because you know an ace is on the mound. Anybody can be beat if you have the right approach. Today our hitters for the most part had a terrible one. I never said they are terrible hitters, but please keep making s*** up
At the end of the day Stroman did his job against the White Sox. Only gave up 2 earned runs and if the defense did it's job it would have been tied 2-2 in the 8th inning. Not a good start but 100% acceptable
Sale isn't using the Philosophy from his Cy caliber seasons. He is using Stroman's philosophy of pitch to contact. According to you no one ever gets a hit off an ace. It's like these professional hitters are just bricks that are at the mercy of the amazing pitcher
He did not throw a 4 seam from what I saw...and if you mean overall on the 2 seam...it was about a month or two after he came back up in his rookie season if I remember correctly.
Yes some need perspective. If a pitcher continuously throws the ball outside and 8/9 hitters keep pulling the ball for gb outs. The pitcher didn't do a great job...the hitters did a horrible job.
This month KC and Detroit had a combined 20 hits and 9 runs off Sale in 12 innings...so he hasn't been that good. Heck those outings are very similar to Stroman today.
Edit: towards the end of May the Indians scored 6 runs on 7 hits and 4 walks in 3.1 innings on Sale. Guy is not unhittable
Stroman has to go back to being a 4 seam pitcher. He can not control the 2 seam. It's very similar to Sanchez last season. Can't throw it for a strike and when he does its up and moving more sideways then down.