John_Havok

So rotation next year will be the same as this year likely... Dickey, pit bull, Happ, Stroman and hutch with norris, sanchez, Graveman headlining Buffalo.

Looks like Happ is coming back.

No kidding, he'll get 4 at absolute maximum from any team, there no need to even think that him getting 5+ years is a con ern

I don't disagree, I'm just wondering how close or far apart it really was from a value standpoint

Very likely yes I agree.

Devils advocate, the two pitchers who pitched in his hypothetical spot were MCGowan until sent to the pen and Stroman. or Happ. For the 15 million, would he have provided markedly better value than those guys at their salaries? Who's willing to do the legwork and the comparison for my lazy weekend ass?

Omg zing... How will I ever recover from this.....

No, like all the replacements for those injuries performing like all stars. And eat a dick.

Showalter can suck it. Like everything else this season hasnt gone his way

looks safe, but that's really close. Also looked like catcher was blocking his path....pillar had to take a huge step to the outside on his last stride to get around him

Wow, nice DP

Yes, but the logic that they only want a "watchable" team and not a winning team is false. What logic would there be that? They'd make waaaaaay more money with a winning team. Just because AA s*** the bed with the payroll increase doesn't mean all they want is a watchable team and nothing more...

Onions baby! Onions!

Being marginally better than steaming piles of s*** doesn't mean it's okay.

I'll just paste my comment I made on fangraphs today rather than type something new... At the risk of beating the dead horse, for me it’s not an argument of whether or not Jeter was or wasn’t a good defender for his position, I think all of the numbers and the eye test both tell us he was not a good defensive shortstop. Yes, a bad defensive SS is still a good defender in relation to other defensive position, just like the guy who graduates last in medical school who barely scraped by the minimum standards still gets called “Doctor”. I think the problem that most people have, including myself, is that you hear all the talking heads on TV talk about how he was such a great defensive shortstop as part of his accomplishments, when the simple fact is that he was not a great defensive shortstop. Yes, he was awarded Gold Gloves, but it takes all of 5 minutes of research to realize that Gold Glove awards are about as accurate a description of defensive ability than taking a poll on the short bus. They do award it to deserving candidates some of the time, but a lot of the time it just goes to the guy who hit very well for his position but not good enough for the offensive awards on teams with lots of national exposure that make the playoffs. If the narrative being spouted by the talking heads was accurrate, and actually focused on his offensive numbers and longevity, while acknowledging that we was not great defensively, people would probably not feel the need to try and prove otherwise. The fact that he’s being put on the pedestal as a great defensive shortstop in addition to being great offensively is what prompts the backlash. Jeter was a great offensive shortstop who’s positives with the bat outweighed the negatives of his defense and is among the game’s great all-time players. He is a Hall of Famer and should go in on the first ballot. But stop telling me he was a great defensive shortstop when he wasn’t.

Updated scoreboard please?

Hat's off the the Pit Bull. Overall, He pitched as well as could be expected and isnt being a value sinkhole. no issues with him coming back next year unless the FO can trade him and actually pick top value assets and the spend the savings on legit talent. I have no faith that will happen though, so having him back for one more year is fine.

Of course he'll be in shape...the shape of a weird looking circle.

It's not a bad effort tbh. More thought than most of the obvious tripe threads

Nope, but sadly we don't live in that world and it does exist.

It's too bad he ruined the kids first Hr call, but I'm sure Dalton doesn't give two shits.

Include framing and Navarro loses almost all his positive value. He should absolutely be moved for someone who actually knows how to be a catcher first. No doubt his bat was better than acceptable for a guy behind the plate, but let's face it, very other aspect of his game is awful

Crap, he's got me on the tie break...

Some of you.... Likely means I'm still not winning lol

Boooooooom goes the bench!