John_Havok

Hindsight is always perfect. The majority of fans aren’t actually capable of big picture thinking and always say they of course would have accepted worse years 3 years ago if it means their team is better this year and definitely would have still showed up to the park ….because those years are already gone and they don’t have the memory of those s***** years so they think they wouldn’t have been so bad. Then you look at reality, and see that of course those fans don’t support the team when the team is bad (see 2019 attendance) they really and truly are completely full of s***.

A good sign

I’m not lecturing the Orioles, I’m lecturing the fair weather fans who are pointing at the Orioles right now and wondering why we can’t have that…when the simple answer is that those fans doing the finger pointing would never want to watch a team play .290 baseball for 5 seasons in order to get the top picks over that period. They constantly demand a winning team, but also constantly demand franchise altering generational draft picks when the team is picking in the 20-30 slots in the first round. They watch the current results of a franchise who have had 6 seasons above .500 in the past 25 f***ing years and act like they’re some model to follow. Right now the Os are reaping the short term benefits of being unbelievably s***** for a quarter of a century. Look at the level of bitching and moaning about the Jays right no who have the 8th best record in baseball. What do you think the level of bitching would be if the Jays allowed themselves to be bottom-feeders for 25 years? They’d never support the team in those times and be constantly whining about how terrible the franchise is. I’d rather see this years Jays team for the next 5 or 6 years than watch what’s gone on in Baltimore for the last 6.

I don’t think people forgot. People like Stottlemyer or others of his ilk, all they do is bitch when things are bad, they never cheer when things are good. I bet we could go back into the gdts from last year and the year before and find the exact same posters who are now crying about the trade, bitching about Gurriel and his bat all of the last 2 seasons.

Impossible to know if Baltimore wanted Jones or Holliday, given that all these top guys probably had predraft deals agreed to in principle. For all we know Jones told them early on he was committed elsewhere so they moved on.

I just stop short of the currently supported narrative by some that Baltimore is somehow now seen a successful and well run franchise. Why? Because they sucked by 6 years and picked top overall twice and 2nd once and were lucky enough to have absolute studs available to them as a result? That doesn’t make you a good franchise. What you do after that to get to the playoffs and maybe win a World Series, and then build a successful long term winner is what makes franchises great. Continued cycles of 6 years tanking and 5 years maybe competing, then 6 years tanking again is not a well run franchise. Yankees, Houston, Dodgers are the cream of the crop in being well run franchises, Atlanta, St Louis…Tampa is about ready to join that club too now that they’ve seemingly got past the s***** down cycles.

Well that's it. Hitters ready to hit and good things I've happen. Get em tomorrow I guess.

Curse is real. They're f***ed

I'm having rime rib tonight I'll see what I can do with the entrails

Everyone's pressing so hard to try and be the hero, just relax boys

Bucks on his farewell tour hopefully.

Vlad just has zero clue what he's doing at the plate right now

Breaking balls were probably by design to get away from the obvious scouting report on him which is fastball heavy. He snapped off some really good ones recently as well.

It's almost impossible to justify carrying biggio on the roster right now. Takes a walk and then immediately gunned by overslidung a stolen base ...

Just so people don’t forget every trade, here’s a list of all of them from 2015/16 off-season up to 2019/20 under Atkins. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/04/gm-trade-history-blue-jays-ross-atkins.html They are largely inconsequential moves. The big ones are obviously the Hutchison trade for Liriano which turn into the Liriano trade for Teoscar. Win and win. The Osuna deal for Giles. Win Grichuk acquired. push? Spare parts used to get him but then he was good, then sucked then traded for a baby giraffe. Donaldson traded for Merriweather. Loss. The Stroman deal. Loss. The underrated move in there was getting Samad Taylor in the Joe Smith trade, since Taylor was used to bring in Merrifield. Realistically the rest of those trades were all in the retooling phase just trying to keep a .500ish team on the field and selling aging vets with no real use for any minor leaguers he could to try and hit the lotto. Gotta remember they were never going to go full tank for 5 seasons playing .290-.400 ball like Baltimore did instead. This market would never accept that kind of ongoing dumpster fire

May 21 Vladdy - 1 Point - jays4life19, JohnHavok Bichette - 1 Point - Chapman - 2 Points - Springer - 2 Points - Spanky Belt - 3 Points - Jonn, Stangstag Kirk - 4 Points - Merrifield - 5 Points - Kiermaier - 6 Points - Lukes - 7 Points - JaysAllMighty, Omar, JaysBlue Off the bench: 10 Points -

You’d bunt to give the worst hitters on the team fewer out to work with?

LOL no. But I know you’re not serious

And still owe him 20 million through 2025. Ah well, that won’t hurt them, they can outspend that mistake.

This. Swing and miss problem was identified and fixed, but in its place they now have a HR giving up problem. Bunch of guys with 1 elite pitch that get roasted when they make even the slightest mistake.

I think Atkins record on signings and retaining is actually pretty good overall. He pulled lots of wizardry early on in his tenure that most people forget now, like trading Drew Hutchison for 3 guys, including Liriano who was great for them, then traded before he fully pumpkined for a hound Teoscar. The Matz trade, the Giles trade, Robbie Ray trade, even that half season acquiring of Taijuan Walker. He’s also been pretty good at letting guys go rather than hanging on or resigning guys getting past their expiry dates. I’d argue hits hits have outweighed his misses by a fair margin in the process of building the current team. His challenge and struggle has been putting the finishing touches on the build. Pretty much the same problem AA had before he left. The building process went great, then the finishing process flopped.

Hicks finally DFA by the Yankees. They traded for Greg Allen back from the Red Sox and punted Hicks

Catcher probably tipped the batter in Japanese what pitch was coming. Bauer is being Nuke RaRooshed.

Yeah, and clearly he sucks at his job. It’s Dave Hudgens.

Well, it’s pretty much time to push all the chips in for him. This season plus 2 more of Vlad and Bo, so aside from Tiedemann my guess is every prospect is in play to try and land a couple legit arms for the pen and some solid bench depth. As it stands now, the rotation as it is now is fully intact until the end of 2024. That’s why I’m thinking he gets until end of that season before he’d be canned.