Yeah but this isn't a diehard baseball city either. I'm saying the successful years will improve general knowledge of the game, all these people asking 'stupid' questions shows that the lack of baseball experience they have in viewing or playing because baseball is so irrelevant compared to other sports. I'm willing to bet that if the NY Rangers miss the playoffs for 20 years you'd have the same effect in New York because they aren't a hockey town. The same could be said when you flip scenarios, the Leafs have been s*** and if it was any other city they'd be irrelevant but because Toronto (much like the rest of Canada) is a hockey city so they'll never not sell lots of tickets and they'll never be irrelevant so the average person will have more hockey knowledge than they do baseball knowledge. Going back to NY, the Yankees can suck for the same prolonged period as the Leafs have and you'd see that they're still relevant and still bringing in better-than-expected numbers to games because NY is a baseball and basketball town.