G-Snarls

Yeah, no chance that's true

Tucker may going to have to settle for a high AAV deal that's shorter with opt outs It's the new way

X and Facebook are a veritable treasure trove of Red Sox anger and resentment right now. It's glorious. You aquire Bregman without discussing it with your franchise 3B, he has a fit and you trade him 2 years into his 10 year contract. Then, you fail to keep Bregman around afterwards anyway because of terrible front office negotiating tactics. Fans are PISSED

Love it f*** the Red Sox

Yeah same; at this point I just want to know if we're keeping Bo, adding Tucker, or neither. Then let's get the season going. Team looks good no matter what.

Well abregman if off the board

The longer it takes Bo to decide... More or less likely he's coming back?

Time to bring Bo back home

For fun I asked Chat GPT to sus it out, going back 15 years. - A) Top-10 WAR / Cy Young pitchers who reached Arbitration-3. This is the smallest group — it’s relatively rare for true aces to go year-to-year all the way to Arb-3. David Price (Tigers) — Arb-3 2015 (record arbitration salary) Corbin Burnes (Brewers) — Arb-3 2024, then traded Trevor Bauer (Reds) — Final arb year 2020 Even among top-10 WAR pitchers, very few actually walk the full Arb-1 → Arb-3 path without something intervening. B) Top-10 WAR / Cy Young pitchers who signed extensions. This is the dominant outcome for elite pitchers their teams want to keep. Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers) — Major extension in 2014 Jacob deGrom (Mets) — Extension in 2019 (ended arbitration entirely) Max Scherzer (Tigers) — Extension before free agency Chris Sale (White Sox) — Early extension buying out arb Corey Kluber (Guardians pitcher"]) — Extension covering arb + options Justin Verlander (Tigers) — Extended pre-free agency Zack Greinke (Royals) — Extension early in career Gerrit Cole (Astros) — Extension after trade, before FA Blake Snell (Rays) — Extension buying out arbitrationL C Top-10 WAR / Cy Young pitchers who were traded instead. This is the second most common path once salaries spike. Gerrit Cole — Pirates → Astros (2018) David Price — Rays → Tigers (2014) Corbin Burnes — Brewers → Orioles (2024) Blake Snell — Rays → Padres (2020) Shane Bieber — Guardians → Blue Jays (2025) Max Scherzer — Tigers → Nationals (2014) For top-10 WAR / Cy Young pitchers over the last 15 years: Most common: ✍️ Extension Second: 🔄 Trade Least common: ⚖️ Playing straight through to Arb-3

Stud starting pitchers just don't get to arb year 3 with their original team very often Digging up some examples

Jays only have one case that might go to arbitration: - Daulton Varsho (5.128): $10.75MM agreement reached today Eric Lauer (5.091): No agreement reached, likely heading to hearing (per Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet) Ernie Clement (3.168): $4.6MM agreement today (per Mitch Bannon of The Athletic) Tyler Heineman (3.066): $1.2375MM agreement reached today (per Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet)

Crazy thing is if they'd even come in at 21 or 22M they'd win the case easily.

No one giving Bo 300MM There's a price point the Jays just won't pay even though they definitely want to retain him if possible b

That's exactly right

John Schneider has shown himself quite adept recently at making use of his whole roster of position players

"in my opinion" is all he says

Yeah I'm not seeing Japanese stars lining up to play in Pittburgh or Colorado and deferring a bulk of their salary while they're at it

You don't sign super utility players for 4 years

The good thing is we still have Clement and Barger so they can try all kinds of things out in spring training

You are definitely not alone Bo might cost half as much and is easier to plug into the team as currently constructed

I agree on both counts Robin