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Some good news from this is that Cecil will likely not go to the DL....and well...Delabar won't come in a give up dingers and walks...still questioning this move though.

The Jays offence stinks with or without Francisco. It's the fact he still can't hit a breaking ball and Tillman's strength is his offspeed pitches. It's a recipe for disaster. As for Navarro over Lind...the bruised foot is likely going to be a day off. With a day off tomorrow and then the Yanks on Tues. I expect Lind back, and likely Rasmus back too.

Who is JP Arencibia?

Also...two errors today resulted in the loss. Juan Francisco's throwing error to allow Jones to second and then the eventual game winning HR by Davis hurt...then Juan Rivera allowing Bautista to run home on Edwin's double. Instead of two men on at 2nd and 3rd with 1 out, one is at second with 2 outs. Tolleson walks and Lawrie drives in Edwin with a single. Right there was the ball game...mental errors all around.

This team has always been 1 starting pitcher, a second baseman and likely a catcher away from being a contender. I still feel that way today. They are still one starter short, Juan Francisco is not the answer at third (consequently moving Lawrie to 2nd), and a three-man catching crew may be doing more harm than good for Dionar Navarro's hitting.

sigh...Jays approach for the most part has stunk again tonight... Only Cabrera and Lawrie have showed any sort of patience at the plate. The amount of good pitches either taken or fouled off is incredible right now.

Yeah...that bastard. She's looking good in the Jays hat. http://t.co/JiuwRPpSgI

Get one good inning in the bank and go to work at the plate. I was simply criticizing the Jays pitching in the first inning and the hitting tactics after that bad start.

Its pretty simple...score first. The offence seems to sputter when we don't score first. For some reason their approach at the plate changes, they get more desperate, they allow the pitcher to go after them with anything. For so long the Jays laid off anything off the plate or off-speed. Right now they're hacking at everything.

Yeah..thing is though..he's got 40 more at bats than Adam Lind and producing similar numbers. I still think Lind needs to play more against your average lefties like a Garcia or a Danks etc.

Dunno if you guys have seen this night...but.. Lonnie Chisenhall is currently 5 for 5 with 3 HR and 9 RBI tonight...that's insane.

I would like you guys to lay off of Janssen..honestly how the f*** was it his fault? He induced the inning ending double play only to have dipshit Tolleson drop the ball..literally. He doesn't get Suzuki, however, if the ball was allowed to drop and Pillar kept it in front of him, the bloop hit by Escobar would mean nothing and he's likely not looking to hit opposite field. Really..Janssen gets screwed over by the defence on both his blown saves...if you can call them that.

I found the Jays took ALOT of very hittable fastballs. Seemed like they were going in with the mindset they were taking before the pitch was thrown trying to work the pitcher.

The wrong move was keeping Loup in there 20 pitches in...to pitch to Ellis, Bourjos and Cruz....they had Jenkins warming...I guess Gibbons didn't want to chance that the Cards would pinch hit some guys like Kolten Wong, Jon Jay or Yadier Molina.

I'd rather Santos over Delabar to be honest with you...both are wild with their fastballs, but at least Santos is usually wild down in the zone...Delabar is just a hot mess up in the zone it seems.

Offense A+ Defense B- Starting B+ Bullpen C- without McGowan and Janssen, B with them...therefore a C Overall B B/R has always been a joke. They hold their writers to such high standards in the screening process..then once they get a spot in their writer program..they write crap like this and get away with it all the time. Its why B/R is and always will be a non-source.

hashtags? f*** these kids with their hashtags and BS. Say that to my face next time..easy to hide behind a keyboard or a phone dipshit.

Would rather give that mop-up role to a young starter in the minors like the Jays used to do with guys like Al Leiter in their World Series years. Redmond leads the Jays with 4 losses and he's only pitched 15 games this year. It's a better than 25% chance he loses when he comes into a game...pretty brutal. A guy like Deck McGuire out of the bullpen could make sense. Chad Jenkins etc. Assuming Wagner is recalled for Hendriks, I can see him getting sent down again once Santos returns, but I prefer Wagner's strike throwing abilities over Santos'...so I honestly have no clue what's going to happen right now.

Keep Hendriks as the long man. Remove Redmond altogether. Call-up either Wagner or Tepera.

ugh...Lind doesn't have the massive stats a.) because he doesn't play regularly and b.) he hits behind both Bautista and EE, meaning they're usually doing the majority of the driving in runs. Lind comes up and begins the cycle again. If Francisco was batting 5th and Lind 6th or 7th, you'd see the RBI offensive numbers in favor of Lind.

Yes Reyes threw a stinker of a throw to Edwin... yes the 3rd ball call on Gordon prior to that should've been a strike...and yes the Jays probably should've brought in Cecil in the 10th... But this game is on RA Dickey. Your supposed Ace can't get you 6 innings, taxes your bullpen, and to make matters worse, he was throwing the Royals BP all game. Don't blame Reyes, blame Dickey.

sigh...bump this thread when the Jays win 7 in a row and 11 of the past 12 just to make me look like an ass. This thread will go into oblivion if the Jays lose 10 straight like the Red Sox did just prior to winning last night. Christ people are calling for Farrell's head in Boston a month an a half into a season following a World Series win. Fickle bunch. At least my fire Gibbons rant had a bit of merit..Gibbons hasn't won a division, an ALDS, ALCS or a WS title. At least Farrell has.

The Jays now sit at 29-22, good for a 2 game lead over the New York Yankees. So what exactly has turned the Jays' season around? Consistent starting pitching has helped, Jose Reyes has been a sparkplug at the top of the order--albeit he hasn't got a great batting average yet, and of course the team is hitting on all cylinders. However, my opinion is that the Jays' season turned around once Sergio Santos got hurt and Casey Janssen returned to the team from the DL. All of which happened around the same time. Why was it important that Santos left the bullpen? I felt his ability to close a game, or to at least come into a game and not get beaten to death, was terrible. His lack of confidence in closing out games directly affected how every other bullpen pitcher pitched. With Janssen back and closing out games with little to no turbulence, the Jays bullpen has returned to a pretty darn decent group of pitchers, and the Jays have won 16 of their last 21. The Jays' lack of bullpen effectiveness early in the year probably directly resulted in the team losing about 5 or 6 games they should have won. With the bullpen in tact and functioning as they should, the Jays have skyrocketed up the standings. So what do you believe is the reason for the Jays turn-around?

Pitchers I'd target Samardzija, Kennedy, Lee, and Niese Second Baseman I'd target... Aaron Hill, Brian Dozier and Chase Utley I think all of them are attainable, however, you may have to pay more to get Shark or Lee. Hill is definitely on the top of my list as a second baseman.

Personally..I'd prefer it if the Jays packaged Rasmus with a guy like Nolin and other prospects and make a stab at Jeff Samardzija. Go with Gose and Pillar platoon in center. The lineup flows better with Gose sitting 9th instead of Rasmus. Gose has better defence and a better eye at the plate. He may not have the power, but he does have the speed and a better OBP. As for the drop off...I feel the added bonus of adding a top of the rotation starter to a group that already includes, Dickey, Buehrle, and Hutchison is what the Jays need to do in order to compete and win the division.