John_Havok

There's lots of things to go on. There's his own eyes from watching the pitcher's body language, actual results, how many pitches per AB, starting with strike 1, starting with strike 1 on different pitchers, staying out of patterns, talk to the catcher, talk to the MIF on how much balls are breaking, watching body language of the hitters after striking out or judging on how hard balls are being hit. Most of the time though when a manager is yelling about balls/strikes it's because he's hearing it from his own guys that the outside/inside corner is huge/tiny and watching the hitters react to each pitch.

Recently I've seen very marginal improvements in JPA's efforts at framing. There's times that he still stabs at the balls not directly where his glove is and still moves way too much overall, but the effort is noticeable. I still hate his game calling though. Not so much pitch selection, but location. You can't throw to the same spot 5 times in a row, then again the next AB to a good hitter and expect him not to figure it out. I don't think he calls for the up and in fastball near enough, not like it has to happen 20 times a game or anything, but when guys are diving over the plate to get the that outside pitch that he just called for 7 times, stand the f***er up!

THis is the one to keep, mods can close the other one, I used to be techno savvy, now I cant even submit a poll without posting a thread.... oy

Just wondering what everyone thinks about Esmil, there's no doubting the results he's been getting as a starter so far, which really starts to make that trade of Gomes and Aviles start to appear sane. Has the addition of the sinker really made that much of a difference?

Does the batter still get credited with the dinger in # 7? I would think not since the inning ended on a force out, I got that one wrong.

Only got 7.

Esmil Rogers is doing his best to try and make up for it. I get missing aviles but Gomes is nothing to be missed.

I read this also. Very intriguing to know that two payers might have the same overall production/value, but see one that's very streaky and one that's steady and consistent, never too hot or too cold. I wonder if they'd be able to run numbers to see if the consistant wOBA is actually more valuable than the streaky wOBA, if both are equal

This. I know the fact that JPA sucks at everything related to his position but that doesn't change what AJ will be. Neither of them walk, JPA has power that Jimenez doesn't, Jimenez has defense that JPA doesn't, Jimenez has a better hit tool, but still probably average hit tool at best in the majors

If he pitches like a stud going into and continuing into the second half and the Jays are in the playoffs or even very close to them, AA will try everything to extend him first.

Possibly. Hard to speculate I guess

Yeah I thought Davis not starting in Vancouver was odd too since he ended theirs last year and the jays usually have a guy finish a year where he would start the next year

He and Surrey's Justin Atkinson (IF) are pretty much the only two guys on the roster worth following. Aside from Messiah Kalfus that is....

I think Wagner stays. AA loves guys that throw hard

That's where guys like Juan Perez, thad webber, Todd redmond and Mickey storey get dfa'd and whoever has options ges sent down until a deal is made

It's amazing what happens when you have a hitting coach whose philosophy isn't "OBP sucks and pull everything"

Most times guys who win this are guys who are coming off serious injuries, not sure Lind's would qualify as all that serious

I'm still in aw that our pitching staff has a Dickey, Johnson and now a Wang. Any Cox or Wood out there we could pick up ?

This will probably sort itself out with injuries regardless, but i'd rather ditch Boni for cash and keep Kawasaki at 2B with Izturis on the bench.

Sorry for the long gap in recaps folks, life has just been really busy lately. L - Buffalo 7, Pawtucket 8 - This was the continuation of the 6/13 game that was stopped due to rain SP Justin Germano 5 IP, 2 ER on 7 hits, 1 walk, 3 K Storey 1.1 IP, 3 ER on 0 hits, 2 walks Vargas 0.1 IP, 2 ER on 2 hits, 1 walk, 1 K Stilson 1.1 IP, 2 K Carreno 0.2 IP, 1 ER on 2 hits, 1 walk Gose 0-3, walk, 2 K, run Goins 2-5, 2 RBI, run Gomez 2-5, 2 RBI, run L. Jimenez 1-5 Sierra 1-4, walk, run Negrych 1-3, walk, RBI, run Velez 0-3, walk, run Nanita 1-2, 2 walks, RBI, run, SB(1) Ochinko 0-3, walk, RBI L - Buffalo 0, Pawtucket 1 - 7 innings Romero 6 IP, 2 hits, 3 walks, 3 K Lincoln 0.2 IP, 1 ER on 2 hits, 1 K McCoy 1-3 Goins 0-1, walk L - New Hampshire 3, Erie 6 SP Ryan Tepera 5 IP, 3 ER on 8 hits, 4 walks, 5 K Brummett 2 IP, 1 ER on 2 hits, 1 K Boone 2 IP, 2 unearned runs on 4 hits, 2 walks Pillar 1-5 AJ Jimenez 1-4 Robinson 0-2, 2 walks, run Glenn 1-3, walk, run Loewen 1-4 Van Kirk 0-3, walk, RBI, run, OF assist at home Manzella 1-3, run Dunedin Did not play W - Lansing 3, Bowling Green 1 SP Roberto Osuna 6 IP, 1 unearned run on 4 hits, 1 walk, 6 K Champlin 1.2 IP, 2 K Murphy 0.1 IP, all 0s Sikula 1 IP, 2 K, save(8) Smith Jr, 0-3, walk Pompey 0-4, SB(22) Lopes 1-3, walk, SB(2) Patterson 1-4, run Ramirez 0-3, run Guerrero 2-3, 3-run HR W - Vancouver 9, Tri-City 5 SP Eric Brown 5 IP, 1 ER on 2 hits, 3 walks, 1 K Spano 1 IP, 2 ER on 2 hits, 1 walk, 1 K Brisker 1 IP, 1 ER on 1 hit, 2 walks - the former 4th OF behind the Marisnick/Knecht/Crouse OF trio in Lansing 2 years ago being converted to pitcher Johnson 1 IP, 1 hit Chysels 1 IP, 1 ER on 2 hits, 2 walks, 2 K Parmley 1-3, 2 walks, RBI, 2 SB(2) Vega-Rosado 0-3, 2 walks, run, SB(1) Leblebijian 1-5, RBI, run Leyland 0-2, 2 walks, RBI, 2 runs Klein 0-4, run Atkinson 2-3, 2 walks, RBI, run Thon 0-4, walk, 2 runs, 2 SB(2) Taylor 0-4, RBI, run Melendez 0-2, 2 walks, CS(1) Havok's performance of the day goes to Roberto Osuna

Or I could just simply be... If everyone was capable of fixing the holes in their swings, baseball would be a pretty crowded place. Some players excel, some players don't. Trying to figure out why one guy failed and one guy succeeded is as close to a fool's errand as you can get. Why can't every pitcher fix flaws in their mechanics and all learn to throw 95 mph?

Understandable. I still love you man.

His swing has holes. And if he played every day he would be exposed, just like Rajai Davis. The fact that Cleveland is using him sparingly which gives the appearance of him performing so well. If he was performing that well and people really thought he had the talent, he'd be playing every day.

Sorry Brando, but this was a quality post.

Super 8. They keep the light on for them.