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If the board all chips in to buy you a hooker for a weekend..will you give it a rest?.... ...actually idk..if she ended up chopped up they may pin us as accessories

Yeah, the Fister thing was an inexplisable thing..but if you have a very good wife who's given you a great marriage for a decade..if she does anything short of stuffing herself with another salami..you have to forgive it and move on

Yes. Seriously, anything with Dogg, puppy, or Clown in the name should be banned on site. I mean I'm sure he will make new names but at least he won't be thumbing his nose at the system

It would've been 3 most likely if Miguel didn't get hurt..and he assembled a MLB leading type rotation without spending crazy in FA (anibal was very reasonable) or trading away his farm

Yeah..I think you were just giving grades for this off-season actually.. Dombrowski has been very good building the Tigers but that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes too like sign Fielder for too long (which he cut his losses on) or make one of the worst trades (Fister) I've seen in years.it's about body of work. Daniels was also a blind man throwing a dart:)

At least Olerud only mentioned the blogger in passing. #progress #newpeopletostalk

True there are a lot of rebound candidates..but also true theres very few guys you can REALLY count on. Jays are far behind in AL East in that regard

Yeah I mean just JJ say.. I was one of many that thought he would have a great season. I wasn't big on Dickey but never would've thought he'd be THAT bad most of the season. Neither could projections

I should say for $10 I don't give s*** if we set it at 7.. But I was never saying Steamer (and like) wasn't best POR out there.. Just that it's too cold with the data IMO So a +33% increase in WAR from projections is reasonable for a wager

Bro.. This is exact point of whole debate. It's a s*** projection. Hes been a +11 defender the last 3 years..why 4 next year? He's also expected to have a healthy OPS drop. Why? he finished year stronger than final numbers..and his history shows no fluke..his offensive upside Let's change bet to 5 WAR+ if you want

But actually in Jacobys circumstance.. He's not a "slash numbers" kind of guy. His value IS mostly saber related. Not mainstream. I think he will put up nice slash lines though..and still be the defender and bsr hes been

Well played:)

Ha. Thanks. I feel same. Let's settle it this way then: Friendly $10 wager Jacoby finishes Top 5 in AL MVP voting next year. Also winner gets to talk smack without fear of reprisal

Oh. I can't keep track anymore

Assuming he means they just did a swap for Kinsler while this is adding to their team

Ha. Yeah. The board would be better off with some solid contrarians like the old connorp and old Adam G. Trolls like Dogg have no value. I don't have time or energy for it anymore plus the guys like BTS and Nox who I used to battle with grew on me like a fungus and I didn't seek to argue. Plus when I got past the blind hate of WAR and such..I could see it's value and enjoyed fangraphs as my go to site.. But I've always seen it as the best POR but not above interpretation. I think anyone would agree..but just saying sometimes it seems like those numbers are used as bible verses..I know it's not the intent but casuals get turned off by that. It doesn't matter anyway because as of now, this site isn't getting same kind of newbies. Hopefully it grows though

Whooaaa Nelly. I'm going to turn back the clock and stir up some s*** with an anti-saber post:) I think you saber monkeys get to computer nerdy just blindly following projections to form an opinion on a signing. I know you guys probably don't..but it comes off that way..luckily this board is mainly made up of tight knit group of posters for the most part from the old board. If we were on the old board with a mix of people.. There would be a lot of anti-saber sentiment still. A projection is a point of reference. Its a superior POR to something Amaro and his scouts can spout off at the mouth but it's not above interpretation and needs to be supplemented with scouting. The system takes s*****, below avg, avg, good, as elite players and stirs them all up and spits out an average more or less. If I'm wrong in that theory please correct me. It's not responsible to comp an elite player with a s***** player. There are plenty of things to consider outside of what fangraphs has. I've mentioned before, like with a SP there are more things than age/velo. What's his secondary stuff like. How will he comp for a velo drop. A good example is a guy like Anibal. I'm sure the projection system had him steady or declining this year. But when you watched the guy pitch 2 years ago for the Tigers down the stretch..you could see it was a guy with real upside there. I was drooling to sign him. Of course, lifes not that easy and the guy may never reach his ceiling..but that has to be factored in when making a decision to aquire a FA I'm biased in bringing up Jacoby as he's one of my favorite players..but when you watch him play..you can see he hasn't lost a step. There's power there that didn't translate at times but he's a guy with upside still so I'm not going to assume hes going to decline half a win each year. He has become a great baserunner beyond just speed.. I do believe in WAR as a stat and think you should use it as a POR when analyzing a FA deal..but just think more thought should go into it besides what Steamer says. If you're thinking "no s*** Sherlock"..I'm just saying it comes off that way..that saber guys are close minded to anything outside fangraphs. Also I know I made an error saying "POF" but I'm on my phone and don't know how to go back.

Very true but when your team is under a payroll cramp..that has to be taken into account too.. That said, as I mentioned in another thread I hate Colby and would do that deal no prob

Gose can prob be a 2 WAR guy and thats about Colby when all is said and done...if there was a team to actually offer up something good..I would love to move his ass

This is one area I think old-school GM'ing is as valuable as advanced stats. Colby has an Adam Lind approach to baseball. Why he didn't fit in in a good org like St.L Doesn't want to be best player he can be. He also K's like 1/3 of the time and when you mesh all his UZRs together..hes solid in the field but nothing ++ or anything. He's the kind that will mix replacement seasons with 4 WAR seasons just like he has

You a rookie? Don't you know making arbitrary end point to support your argument is the norm here?? That said. I can dig a wash for sure. It was Morrow >>>> that I took issue with.

Yeah honestly njh deserved a quick timeout. Gsnarles is a cool dude but was trying to get order and njh disrespected him a bit (even though obviously playing)..at any other time if he said "mods are pussies"..gs wouldve come back with joke reply Also I tried to push for banning you and Nox cosigned but it failed to catch wind in the Senate:(

I don't have issue with what you guys did..but it really good you take it so seriously and you guys listen to the people while also having your own two cents. You're doing good job bro:)

Well.. I'm not a Colby fan. I will bet against him all the time..but hypotheticall if he's still a 4 WAR guy next year..you wouldn't mind offering arb and getting a pick for him if he declines (which he would) Also pitchers are the ones who's value really skyrockets at deadline.

They should move his ASS.. Assuming quality return