Jimcanuck

Trade him then, he'll be worthless by the time the jays are good again. Declining defense and a replacement level bat.

Has gotten harder though, now that all those Braves prospects have re entered the market.

Regardless, better to trade JD before the projected glut of 3B hit the market - Machado, Beltre, others

No, I've been calling for a rebuild since roughly June of 2017.

Stroman to the 'Stro's for Tucker and Whitley or the Cubs for Happ and Almora Jr

Great pickup for a rebuilding team Said it before, if Jays do not get Ohtani, JD will be traded.

big whoopee

Hopefully Shatkins is just driving up the price Dumbrowski will pay

Perhaps. I refer to it only as one of the rumoured moves that would be on hold due to Stanton/Ohtani.

Comes down to $$$ I trust Shatkins with the math, if these moves happen Donaldson too expensive Or they plan to resign Donaldson after 2018

Jays signing JD Martinez would make moving Donaldson for prospects palatable to the casuals. This move was mentioned at end of Cameron's chat yesterday. The negotiations can take place but it cannot happen until Stanton

If Ohtani is looking to immigrate in addition to playing MLB, Toronto would be a prime destination. Whatever his personal interests may be, Toronto/Ontario/Canada has it. I'd be surprised if TO is not on his short list.

This is pretty much it, well expressed. If we want to get numerical about it, and I might do the math but the value my time for zero reward says probably not........ starter FIP increases from inning to inning. Strictly on that basis to win more games (minimize team FIP) there is an average optimum where the hook should occur. Then, furthering the math, since a starter's early innings FIP are lower then the later innings, the more games they start, the more often you gain the value of these low FIP early innings. The numbers can be crunched to see which is expected to give a lower team FIP, 4 man or 5 man rotation. And it wouldn't be a strict 4 man rotation. For the Jays for example, the regular rotation would be Stro, Sanchez, Happ, Cobb (?) then you have Estrada in the pen who can spot start and Biagini in Buffalo available. So its a more fluid approach, and gaining the advantage of more starts from your high value pitchers. Injury risk a separate topic entirely. I can see a argument that pitching with shorter rest and shorter pitch count (4 man) has less injury risk then longer rest and longer pitch count (5 man).

Since i'll be home battling pneumonia the next few days with lots of time, I'll do some engineering on this, since you seen to be closed minded.

It was in a fangraphs article the other day. Are you an *******? We all know the answer.

wouldnt work quite that way teams already manage starter innings there will be need for spot starts by another pitcher (doubleheaders, busy portions of schedule) its a viable option, has its pros and cons just like the current approach

Ben: Is Tulo done making any kind of meaningful impact? 9:20 Jeff Zimmerman: Hi everyone. 9:20 Paul Swydan: I think he is, unfortunately. Maybe he has one dead cat bounce season in him. 9:20 Paul Swydan: Hi Jeff!!!! 9:21 Jeff Zimmerman: I think so. Barely play MI and bats not good enough for anywhere else

bullpens are dying already, which is why position players that can pitch is becoming a bit of a thing with a 4 man rotation you don't need as much SP depth, so you can use your AAA depth (including the starters) more as RP depth and cycle them in and out

throwing out something different, has there been any chatter about going back to a 4 man rotation, now that teams are averse to their starters going through a lineup a 3rd time and the average IP/start has dropped below 6 innings? there's also, the general lack of good starters to consider

ummmmmm

i wonder if AA really has a win now attached to his hire. If so, LOL

And how does Maitan compare to the SS the Jays are in on for July 2018? Not enough difference to make Maitan a Jays target. There are other international free agents out there, including a few others from Japan I believe.

so i watched the movie Fastball last night. havent seen it discussed here, i probably just missed it great baseball doc if you haven't watched it. Dalkowski, what a sad figure though. Implication was the guy was throwing 115 mph. Feller 15 SO in his MLB debut as a 17 year old lol So the top MLB FB ever based on todays measurement standard are Ryan at 109 mph and Feller at 108 mph Ryan threw ~260 pitches in a single game, 7 no-hitters, over 5000 career SO, his last pitch was 96 mph at 46 yrs old, what a beast (my numbers may be a bit off)

What's the list for? Waiver drafts?

no one knows more about Tellez then the Jays front office. the fact they protected him gives us hope.