Right, and this is what John is saying too
So what about the current crop of guys like Drabek, Strasburg, Moore, etc. This is the generation where rates have gone up alarmingly - guys in their early-mid 20's right now. What were THEY doing in their teens? No pitch limits? No off time in the winter? What kind of strength conditioning? That's what might help a klittle bit in figuring it out.