once you come out of the off topic section, where all the stats peeps hang out, you get into the heart and emotion section of the forum. There are a lot of people who are just as valid fans of baseball and the jays, but have no idea what metrics are.
DON'T argue stats with people who don't know anything about them. Just let them have their heart and passion for baseball in their way.
arguing doesn't help anyone.
ps. you know a thread like this is going to be a s*** storm so maybe dont come back after you make your case and state the facts. You KNOW it's only going to piss you off. Bickering doesn't help anyone and only empowers the people who are not even fans, that are just here to troll and we all know there are lots of those.