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let's just hope in a few years it will be Buntoyo 2 WS championships, BJMB 0 maybe he will truly be Cito version 2.0

need to 'fight it off' with 2 strikes on you....

guys really need to get back to 'protecting the plate with 2 strikes' especially a scrub like Drury

Obviously, no one needs to be 'cut' as in DFA'ed, but with 28 games in 27 days, you might think optioning another young guy out to Rochester and bringing a 'fresh arm' such as Murphy in for a look could easily be in the cards.

I was thinking a while back that Chase Anderson could be a contender for this as well. He has that 'All-American' golden haired boy with a solid square jaw look going on.

Yeah clearly the starters' W/L record has much less direct relationship to the pitcher's actual performance these days. At least quality starts give them credit for doing a decent job, regardless of run support and bull pen performance. A perfect example was the other day when Ryu pitched , as I recall, 6 solid innings and left the game with a nice lead only for Bass to blow a 3 run lead in the 9th (at least Bass didn't get the W, not that a W helps much for a late reliever). I think I posted on another thread the Jays had a good chance for a PS berth if the veteran starters pitch well and carry them, like in 2016. That year, as I recall, the Jays starters combined to lead (or be right near the top of) the MLB in innings pitched, quality starts and combined ERA. Of course even ERA can be a much less than accurate barometer when you have defensive issues (plays that should have been made) and sometimes just plain bad luck (like the 1st inning yesterday). At the end of the day , I guess FIP is a good measure although it does favor strike-out pitchers. P.S. - nice try to make me look dumb - better luck next time:p

All I can say is the worst thing to avoid is GIDP (especially problematic with Vlad Jr. coming up to bat:p) I agree Montoyo and Gaston are/were not great 'in-game' tacticians, but overall Cito won and hopefully Montoyo (or someone else will with the Jays soon). What do people think about Bobby Cox? All those great teams starting with Jays in '85 and perennial playoff team with the Braves but only 1 WS championship to show for it. At the end of the day, it's all about the rings, baby !!

thing is you never know what will happen when you replace a pitcher and with whom. It is a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking by us fans a lot of the time. The bunting is hard to say for certain. IF the guy can put a good bunt down, it is reasonable, but the problem is most of these players nowadays don't even know how to bunt..... I understand the argument: like how many times do you see a bases loaded with 0 outs and the team fails to score (how the f*** they even manage that level of ineptness - so why give up a free out!!!)....... Maybe, it's all about that old-fashioned concept: execution?

the Jays seem to have a lot more pitching depth than the other fringe teams like O's, ChiSox and Rangers (I may be biased because I am not so familiar with those other teams). I think securing an 8th seed and upset the Bankees in the 1st round would be almost as good as a WS championship at this point!

totally agree, he needs to be a lot more stern with umps and his players when they F' up. Gibby was good at giving people 'the business' when they had it coming! If Chuckles doesn't get more 'assertive' he won't last, because the players will lose respect for him.

HAHA - laugh all you want but winning is all that counts. You can present me all the advanced/modern numbers you want, BUT all that counts is the number of runs scored! Just get 'er done, boys!!

Cito won 2 championships in a row. I'll take that any time, no matter what he does to get it done! The atmosphere Montoyo has established seems pretty positive considering the team fought back from an early 8 run deficit last Wednesday (only to go on to lose 14-11) and then again this Thursday from an early 7 run deficit. His leadership seems to be positive in regards to helping this young team be 'scrappy'!

Yep, it was seeming like the end on this past Sunday. Now 4 days and 5 wins later....... If the 4 veteran SP's can stay healthy and pitch well, the Jays are really in business (like how the starting rotation carried them in 2016). An 8th seed for the post-season is very achievable right now and even more so if/when Giles and Bichette return.

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fair enough - but try to run the tight ship that has been laid out or not at all

Maybe prior to TheHurl's July 1 post titled "Important: Changes to the Board. Please read! " I quote from paragraph 4: "Responses to posts are still encouraged. However, responses in which you are referencing the poster are not. If you can’t refute the post without any form of personal comment at a poster, do not respond." In some cases, a poster might try to weasel around that by saying "I was mocking the post not the poster" that will just come down to subjective interpretations. As mentioned above on this thread, we know how that's likely to go. Same as any message thread with mods who know all the posters and are biased. Play nice, kids

Yeah and stop hitting it to the deepest part of Fenway all the time would be nice. I hope to see a couple (or five) Jays hits land in the seats on top of the monster tomorrow! Or out onto the street behind it

A little bit of credit due for Atkins with 3 of his acquisitions in Anderson, Kay and Bass getting it done tonight. Also love that Romano guy!

Yeah especially if he goes ahead with his previously stated plan of going on short term contracts. He had said he would literally go on 1 year deals but maybe he would split the difference and do a 3 year deal.

So convert Austin Martin to CFer ? Yeah I think it makes sense. If Jansen doesn't get the bat going this season, Realmuto would be a nice pick-up, but he is likely to have a whole lot of interest.

Agree, I would take him for 2 years (3rd year option) for $12M per. (he is making 11M this year.)

Springer is going to be expensive but worth the money. The inconsistent bat might (should) make Bradley a bargain as defense is usually undervalued.

Good enough to pursue in free agency this off season? He will be 31 for the 2021 season.

Yeah clearly Bo (and Cavan too) has surpassed Guerrero. If Vlad doesn't get serious likely including lose 40-50 lbs, not only will he not be a star, but he may not even be a league average (~2 WAR) player. Consider his potential defensive value has plummeted with the move to 1st and unless he is hitting like 2012 Miggy, what do you have there?

Yep but this is the last guy you expect to have a ZERO ISO no matter how small the sample size