Nook

Osuna may be a terrible person and he may get in trouble again. I won’t debate that. The difference between Giles and Osuna is that Osuna isn’t afraid of pitching in the biggest moments against the best competition. He has dominated the AL East and has had an exceptional post season career. Giles on the other hand doesn’t even compete,

It depends on how you look at it. Are there 9-10 pitchers that long term will prove to be better than Perez in their system right now? No. However there are 9-10 pitchers in the Astros system that the Astros value more because they have more upside or are projected as starters. The Astros view Perez as a reliever and at 22 have a good idea of who he will become. It may turn out that Perez is a solid reliever for years and Osuna blows his arm out. My point is that the prospects the Jays got have limited upside.

Normally I would agree with you but Giles struggled with that role in Houston. Your best bet is to make him a closer on a rebuilding team, hope he does well without as much pressure and deal him at the deadline. He has an exceptional slider but has poor command of it. His fastball is 96-99 mph but flat.

A mental midget that chokes in pressure situations and lacks the emotional development to deal with failure? That is who Giles is and has been. Perhaps some day he will change but I wouldn’t count on it.

Yeah by some ranking systems he is, but his upside is more limited by his age (22 in AA) and upside. Pitchers like Solis and a number of arms they have in A and low A are better prospects but only 17-18 years old and years away. Hector Perez is a secondary piece to his former team. They have a number of guys similar to Perez that they have moved (Alcala for example). Maybe Perez keeps developing but he isn’t all that great. He will likely eventually be a big leaguer but unlikely to be anything memorable. I would far rather Cionel Perez or a number of other arms.

No... there are very few closers that are head cases to the degree Giles is. He simply could not handle the pressure in the ALCS/WS last year and this year he again failed most the time against playoff teams. Not to mention Giles punching himself, telling his manager to f*** off and having multiple fits in the locker room. The Astros demoted him just to get him out of the locker room to deal him. Maybe he bounces back in less of a stressful situation in Toronto and the Jays deal him at the deadline next year.... but even then teams know who Giles really is.

Not sure how you reach that conclusion. Ken Giles has proven to be a mental midget in high pressure situations. He lost his closer job in the World Series and continued to melt down against the better teams this season. He is roundly disliked by his teammates and his coaches finally gave up on him after telling his manager to “**** off” and then blew up in the locker room as his teammates rolled their eyes. There is a reason Giles was sent to the minors and a lot of that was performance based. Paulino is another player the Astros gave up on. His stuff isn’t as good without PED’s, he is 25 years old and is constantly injured. He wasn’t going to make the 40 man by this winter. Hector Perez has #4 starter type upside. He is probably the 10-12th best pitcher in the Astros minors. He was about to be passed up by a bunch of younger pitchers in the Astros really deep pitching pipeline. Unless Perez really improves or Giles all of a sudden figured it out (unlikely) the Astros win this deal handily. Players like Cionel Perez or Martin are far better than Hector Perez. Oh well.